New Vaccine for Nicotine Addiction

[Los Marauder]

I have to say that if it eventualy works out to be safe, why not.

Being brain damaged with epilepsy I had no help with the common drugs 20+ years ago. Then came Gabapentin, which was expieremental at the time. Seizures were affected to almost non existance. I was a guiny pig, and gladd for it. Now most epilepsy drugs are a darivitive of Gabapentin.

Aren't we all against "big tobbaco"

[Cool_Breeze]

Aren't we all against "big tobbaco"

For some, it seems to be all about what there is to be against...

[Stubby]

I can just see ANTZ pushing for the vaccine to be given
to all children ... Naturally, there will be idiots in congress
which will agree with them.

It is far more likely they would push it on to people with mental illness. Its well known that people with mental illness have much higher smoking rates then the general population. Many are on public assistance of some kind.

So heres the deal, you take this vaccine or we cut you off............. it's a Brave New World.

Of course at a later date when it is found there are unusual numbers of these same people jumping off the highest building they can find because of uncontrolled anxiety, depression, etc...... well...... tobacco is just so evil that it's....... an acceptable price to pay to rid the world of the evil weed.

Aren't we all against "big tobbaco"

Don't count me in that gang. I have never had an issue with big tobacco. I smoked because I like it. It made me feel better and function better. If I wasn't getting something out of it I wouldn't do it.

[Vocalek]

I have to say that if it eventualy works out to be safe, why not.

Being brain damaged with epilepsy I had no help with the common drugs 20+ years ago. Then came Gabapentin, which was expieremental at the time. Seizures were affected to almost non existance. I was a guiny pig, and gladd for it. Now most epilepsy drugs are a darivitive of Gabapentin.

Aren't we all against "big tobbaco"

The situations are far from analogous. You were not receiving any benefit whatsoever from seizures.

Many people (whether they realize it or not) are using nicotine to self-medicate the symptoms of underlying conditions. Those who do realize it have noted that when they become abstinent from nicotine, their lives become unmanageable. In some cases this takes the form of an unspecified feeling of unease. Something's wrong, but you can't quite put your finger on it. In more severe cases, when they become abstinent they lose their ability to pay attention, focus, concentrate, remember. They sink into a deep, dark depression. They wait, and wait, and wait for these "temporary" problems to resolve themselves. But they don't resolve until nicotine use is resumed.

Now here is what will happen if the nicotine users described above have been vaccinated against nicotine. They will lose their ability to pay attention, focus, concentrate, remember. They will sink into a deep, dark depression. They will wait, and wait, and wait for these "temporary" problems to resolve themselves. But they don't resolve even when nicotine use is resumed, because the vaccination creates the antibodies that deactivate nicotine so that it doesn't do anything to relieve the symptoms.

To make the situation more analogous, let's say that Gabapentin worked to control your seizures, but it had the side effect of making your life unmanageable: You became unable to pay attention, focus, concentrate, and remember, and sank into a deep depression. But then suppose that you stopped taking it, but the side effects kept coming. Pretty bleak, eh?

Big Tobacco? No, Big Tobacco Control has taken over the role of telling lies and misleading the public.

[rothenbj]

Well one benefit of this new vaccine will be that people with Attention Deficit Disorder will be prevented from being able to concentrate and pay attention better. People with Depression can stay depressed. People who have the genetic tendency to have Lewy Bodies build up in their brain, can enjoy all the benefits of dementia and movement impairments, because nicotine won't work for them. One has to wonder whether these antibodies will also work to fight the medications based on nicotine that are now being developed to treat these conditions.

Personally, I would not touch this vaccine with a 9-foot Hungarian, much less a 10-foot Pole. And I would certainly advise my kids to avoid this vaccine like the plague if it some day becomes a required vaccination for my grandchildren.

Aw, but we have a pill for that! Beware of the pushers with the white coats.

[Cool_Breeze]

...more fun than tossing a hunk of raw meat over the fence of the junk yard!

[rookbartley989]

Aren't we all against "big tobbaco"

Not me!!! I am only against people wiping their a**es with my rights...

Ron -

[DC2]

...more fun than tossing a hunk of raw meat over the fence of the junk yard!

I am just wondering, would you take it?

[Los Marauder]

Wow- What a discussion. Please note I said "If it works out to be safe" as in no bad effects, like depression, ect......

As for those of you pro tobacco, say to the 14 year old that just started a habbit, "Yeh I'm pro tobbaco, have fun with that choice". I doubt many would, and if so don't go near my kids. We ALL here for what ever reason deemed smoking unnessary. Freedom of choice and presures to inhale cancer, two different things in my book. Why not just push e cigs on our kids. Hey lets advertise smoking rat poision.

As for "For some, it seems to be all about what there is to be against." I respond- aren't you against this new drug. And thanks for grouping me in with the "some it seems are all about what there is to be against" without knowing me.

I am not saying take away freedom of choice. I do say I hate big tobbaco. I didn't say hurt big tobbaco, or ban it. But if big tobbaco is OK, why aren't you smoking analogs?

[DC2]

Wow- What a discussion. Please note I said "If it works out to be safe" as in no bad effects, like depression, ect......

As for those of you pro tobacco, say to the 14 year old that just started a habbit, "Yeh I'm pro tobbaco, have fun with that choice". I doubt many would, and if so don't go near my kids. We ALL here for what ever reason deemed smoking unnessary. Freedom of choice and presures to inhale cancer, two different things in my book. Why not just push e cigs on our kids. Hey lets advertise smoking rat poision.

As for "For some, it seems to be all about what there is to be against." I respond- aren't you against this new drug. And thanks for grouping me in with the "some it seems are all about what there is to be against" without knowing me.

I am not saying take away freedom of choice. I do say I hate big tobbaco. I didn't say hurt big tobbaco, or ban it. But if big tobbaco is OK, why aren't you smoking analogs?

I have a feeling the discussion is about to get a lot more interesting.

I'd reply to some of this, but I have to go out and pick up some lunch.
Looking forward to what I find when I get back though.