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Thread: CDC & Glantz "... Making up scientific evidence." (Siegel)

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    Default CDC & Glantz "... Making up scientific evidence." (Siegel)

    If you don't follow Mike Siegel's blog "The Rest of the Story," you should. It's the quickest way I know for we laymen to debunk the "expert" hogwash found ubiquitously in the media--like this, for instance:

    http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/...oking.html?m=1

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    As the old saying goes "Figures lie & liars figure."

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    Unfortunately, there is a long history of using / hiring medical people with letters after their name, not as 'experts' per se, but as ADVOCATES for some product or cause under the guise of being an 'expert'. Nothing particularly new under the sun here.
    An advocate is a paid shill, just as professional athletes are paid shills for endorsing a particular brand of sneakers.

    It is critical to understand where the funding for a given 'expert' is coming from, and to understand that the 'expert' DOES need to continually justify their existence (or else, they, AND the funding go away). The time has come, though, for people operating under and publicizing medical or scientific credentials as part of their statements and opinions to be held to a much higher standard, under LAW, than athletes advocating for a pair of sneakers. Medicine and science are simply too important, with the health and lives of untold numbers of people at stake.

    There have been medical 'quacks' and snake-oil salesmen for as long as there have been ailments. But one operating under the umbrella of medicine or science should be held fully accountable for the information that they spew.
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    Remember the days of "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on T.V"? Then the testimonial carried more weight because it came from a confirmed pretend doctor.

    Those were good days, at least the deception was upfront and the lie was easy to spot. Ahhh, memories.
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    It looks like Glantz has spent 10 bucks of the FDA's $20million prize money he's receiving for fabrication. Can't wait to see what the Sci place that was awarded $40million comes up with. Campfire stories at best. And then there's the rest of that $273 million bucks dispersed to other fabricators and FDA regulation experts.

    Not one dime goes to real science. Am I surprised? Not in the least.
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    Edited because it didn't make sence in written form.

    Instead, I will pose questions.
    1. When were cigarettes introduced in packages of 20, readily and easily available?
    2. When was the CANCER CELL KILLER plant outlawed, banned, censored?
    3. When did the FDA begin?
    4. When did big Pharma begin?
    5. When did the letters about who, SG, others brainwashing summary appear?
    6. When did cancer become an overwhelming, overpopulated disease?
    7. When was epidemiology born, as we know it today? By who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uma View Post
    It looks like Glantz has spent 10 bucks of the FDA's $20million prize money he's receiving for fabrication. Can't wait to see what the Sci place that was awarded $40million comes up with. Campfire stories at best. And then there's the rest of that $273 million bucks dispersed to other fabricators and FDA regulation experts.

    Not one dime goes to real science. Am I surprised? Not in the least.
    That's exactly right. All the "stakeholders" in this game stand a lot to lose from reduced use of tobacco including BT, BP and their cronies at the FDA, not to mention all the ANTZ and the conceited, elitist academics who fabricate "science" for them. Last, but not least, state and local budgets are also concerned with diminishing tax revenue. I hope nobody has any illusion those in power are concerned with the public's well being...

    Basically nobody but us, the vaping community have any interest in seeing the electronic revolution continue, so it's up to us to keep on fighting and pushing good science like the Burstyn study to the top.
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    Wonder if that guy at the CDC was on the global warming scientific committee...I mean...climate change
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