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    Nicotine is "highly toxic" they say.
    Nicotine is "Highly addictive" they say.

    two phrases quoted often, that impair the hard truths about vaping-to the layman, and are too often 'scandalised' by the 'controversy hungry' press, and used to 'scare-monger' by the 'Health Cartels'.

    3.1.3 Nicotine
    Nicotine has many effects on the
    body6,70,117 (Fig. 3.1): It raises blood
    pressure and heart rate, curbs appetite,
    increases basal metabolic rate and activates
    bowel movements, which may lead
    to diarrhea. In addition, it lowers urine
    production, promotes blood coagulation,
    stimulates breathing, increases pain
    sensitivity and may cause nausea and
    vomiting. In the brain, nicotine promotes
    release of several neurotransmitters causing
    various psychological effects, which
    '''''''may'''''' lead to dependence.

    However, ''''''even more problematic than
    the toxic effects of nicotine'''''', which are
    to be expected primarily due to overdose,
    are its pharmacological effects on
    the brain. The substance binds to nicotine
    receptors in the brain leading to
    release of various messenger substances
    stimulating the reward centre, thereby
    provoking a feeling of well-being7. Over
    time, this can lead to craving for nicotine
    and, ultimately, to nicotine dependence.
    '''''''This dependence consists of a physical
    and a psychological component, making
    cessation particularly hard7.''''''''

    This report is a 'mixed bag'-but with some interesting little nuggets.

    http://www.dkfz.de/en/presse/downloa...arettes-EN.pdf
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    The substance binds to nicotine receptors in the brain leading to release of various messenger substances stimulating the reward centre, thereby provoking a feeling of well-being7
    Several thoughts as I read this: 1. No wonder the puritanical prohibitionists want to ban nicotine! Heaven forbid anyone should be able to consume anything that makes them feel better! 2. We need to see that the Gland gets some of this. If he feels better, maybe he'll get off our backs... 3. Are there caffeine receptors in the brain? Chocolate receptors? Most important, personally, are there ice cream receptors?
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    Caffeine, I'm glad you brought that up, if you substitute it for the word Nicotine in the report, the neurophysiological part of the report probably would not look any different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orb Skewer View Post
    Caffeine, I'm glad you brought that up, if you substitute it for the word Nicotine in the report, the neurophysiological part of the report probably would not look any different.
    Thats the example I bring up when talking to people. People freak out of teens getting ahold of ecigs, but don't bat an eye at kids drinking mt dew, caffeine is an addictive substance that isn't exactly good for you but really not that bad, just like nicotine.
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    People think I'm some idiotic radical when I tell them caffeine is just as bad as nicotine.

    The worst part about fear mongering is that it works...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concat View Post
    People think I'm some idiotic radical when I tell them caffeine is just as bad as nicotine.

    The worst part about fear mongering is that is works...
    As bad ?, for what, inducing bowel movement ?
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    Just as harmless, just as harmful... semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concat View Post
    Just as harmless, just as harmful... semantics.

    I hear ya, and unfortunately, for all of us, most of the fear-mongering has been 'born' in vaping forums, this one is no exception, arsenic, highly toxic, if you open a bottle in a room all of the people in the room will be poisoned, fume cupboards etc etc et F'ing cetera-it's all in here.

    Do a search.
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    I forget... is nicotine not addictive? Last I heard it was more addictive than hero...oh I can't say that word here. Anyway, I can only speak for myself in saying I'm addicted to nicotine, and coffee, and maybe sex. Oh, and food and maybe the internet and xbox. That's all. No problems here.
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    I saw that study (can't say I read every word). It was used in a fear-mongering article some health nut on Twitter shared with me.

    It seemed like that study didn't show a lot of the science behind their conclusions.

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