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    Sheesh, every time I turn around that number changes. How did they arrive at this last accumulated survey number?
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    I think every single paragraph in the linked piece of OP made me roll my eyes and cringe at the tactics employed.

    All I really saw was:

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    It's not really about the
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    But BP told us to make it about the
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    We are convinced adults hate flavors, so we gonna act like
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    Targeting children with fruity and cany flavors? You mean like liquor companies do with say Apple Martinis? Whipped Cream Vodka? Strawberry Daiquiris?

    Poll those same kids and ask how many have tried real cigerettes or alcohol? {OTHER STUFF} even since states are now begining to legalize that so they can tax it. Yet ecigs are the bad one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman8 View Post
    I think every single paragraph in the linked piece of OP made me roll my eyes and cringe at the tactics employed.

    All I really saw was:

    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    It's not really about the
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    But BP told us to make it about the
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    We are convinced adults hate flavors, so we gonna act like
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    Chillun'
    You should make that into a music video and put it up on YouTube
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    CASAA tries, but it needs members to sign up so that they can say, "this many people have stopped...". Also, a monthly donation would be helpful.
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    How come they are not up in arms about the mint and fruit flavored nicotine gum?? And how come a certain, select group of politicians with a specific political philosophy are always the ones leading the hypocritical crusade against vaping? I guess the answer (hypocritical) is in the question.
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    My letter to congress,

    I am writing today to encourage you to stand up against the recent Protecting Children from Electronic Cigarette Advertising Act proposed by Markey and others. This act purports to have saving lives as its main goal. However, the effects would be the exact opposite.

    Numerous studies since 2009 have shown that Electronic Nicotine Delivery Devices have a cigarette cessation rate equal to or higher than pharmaceutical methods. In some studies the rate of significantly decreased cigarette consumption at 24 months was over 50%. In multiple studies it was found that the common e-cigarette was more pleasant to use than currently marketed inhilators from pharmaceutical companies. Yet, the e-cigarette's pharmacological profile was far more like the inhalator than a classic cigarette. A study published in Food and Chemical Toxicology vol. 50 issue 10 also shows that second hand vapor from an Electronic Nicotine Delivery Device has none of the negative effects on complete blood count or inflammation that a classic cigarette has.

    The Protecting Children From Electronic Cigarette Advertising Act is a misplaced bill based on fear instead of science. It is based on an idea that adults don't like sweet flavored things or find beautiful models attractive in advertising. Millions of adults indulge in e-cigarettes and other forms of “vaping” on a regular basis. Many of them opt for flavors such as caramel macchiato, blue berry muffin, and chocolate orange. Many former classic cigarette smokers, that now use electronic devices, will openly admit that the fruit and desert flavors are what allowed them to quit. It isn't about attracting children. It is about getting adults away from the “close enough, but not exactly” feeling of synthetic tobacco that causes many to relapse.

    What we have in the PCFECAA is a misguided attempt at legislation that ignores science, and the health of millions. I understand the desire to save children from bad outcomes. However, when it means killing other people, is it worth it? Even the Royal College of Physicians of London has stated, “This RCP report makes the case for harm reduction strategies to protect smokers. The report demonstrates that smokers smoke predominantly for nicotine, that nicotine itself is not especially hazardous, and that if nicotine could be provided in a form that is acceptable and effective as a cigarette substitute, millions of lives could be saved. The report also argues that the regulatory systems that currently govern nicotine products in most countries, including the UK, actively discourage the development, marketing and promotion of significantly safer nicotine products to smokers."

    I encourage you to stand up for the lives of millions of smokers that could be saved.
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    I'd like one of these politicians to tell me how many smokers lives are worth the wellbeing of one child.

    Seriously. How many smokers have to die before what a child *might* do becomes a secondary concern?

    100? 10,000? 1,000,000? How many children are our lives worth?

    And what is it exactly about a child that makes their life more valuable than an adult? Because some of us are parents?

    What happens when that child becomes an adult? Does their life no longer matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNice81 View Post
    My letter to congress...
    I wish to commend you on a well written, prompt and reasoned letter to Congress.

    I'm thinking the more communications like this, the better.

    But I gotta be honest that my current approach to such a bill, based on wording of linked piece in OP, would be more of a rant. Every single paragraph is perpetuating a deception and then attempting to use that as justification for an overreaching policy decision.

    I want to write the rant letter, but feel it would be ignored as too vitriolic. I wonder if that is ever an appropriate way to respond, especially given the vitriol that is clearly on display in the linked piece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman8 View Post
    I wish to commend you on a well written, prompt and reasoned letter to Congress.

    I'm thinking the more communications like this, the better.

    But I gotta be honest that my current approach to such a bill, based on wording of linked piece in OP, would be more of a rant. Every single paragraph is perpetuating a deception and then attempting to use that as justification for an overreaching policy decision.

    I want to write the rant letter, but feel it would be ignored as too vitriolic. I wonder if that is ever an appropriate way to respond, especially given the vitriol that is clearly on display in the linked piece?
    Emotional letters to regulators can be powerful, but not the kind of rant I think you had in mind. Keep it civil, do not insult them, do not speculate about their motives, and do not tell them what to do. Instead write about your experiences, and ASK them (as opposed to demand) to take a particular action.
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