Good Pick up

**bizzyb0t** · 03-20-2009, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by jamie

Analogs don't contain 4000 poisonous chemicals so it's fine if that wasn't included.

400?

I'm not sure how many poisonous chemicals, I know it's a ridiculously high number, though.

**chokmah** · 03-20-2009, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by jamie

Analogs don't contain 4000 poisonous chemicals so it's fine if that wasn't included.

Well umm

Smoking Effects | Effects of Cigarette Smoking

**Sun Vaporer** · 03-20-2009, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by chokmah

Well umm

Smoking Effects | Effects of Cigarette Smoking

Chokmah--good find to clarify:

"There are approximately 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, hundreds of which are toxic." Id.

To bad my VG and flavoring has maybe 15 chemicals total at most---I really want the 4000 the FDA is mandating I should defacto go smoke----Sun

**JJames68** · 03-20-2009, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by ikenmoke

Electronic Cigarettes: Are They Safe? - Denver News Story - KMGH Denver
says it was posted today, but seems like the same news of late.

I always like these kinda comments

Electronic Cigarettes: Are They Safe? - Denver News Story - KMGH Denver

"“It’s not worth the risk because, in our opinion, the only cigarette that’s safe is the one that you don’t smoke,” said Dianna Hemphill, with the American Cancer Society."

so what do the American Cancer Society recommend, a analog cigarette or the e-cig, those are the only real choices for many smokers - notice they always avoid saying that a analog cigarette is better for you then a e-cig - where was the FDA when the firesafe carpet glue stuff was added to analogs? that can't be good to breath in can it?

"the only cigarette that’s safe is the one that you don’t smoke"

oh, and I guess they missed the point that you do not SMOKE a e-cigarette

and no mention of 2nd or 3rd hand smoke? they been telling us for years that 2nd hand smoke is worse then smoking

**jamie** · 03-20-2009, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

Chokmah--good find to clarify:

"There are approximately 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, hundreds of which are toxic." Id.

To bad my VG and flavoring has maybe 15 chemicals total at most---I really want the 4000 the FDA is mandating I should defacto go smoke----Sun

It doesn't clarify, it repeats anti hype, and each part of their site discussion has completely different numbers just on that one site. Water... h2o, hydrogen, oxygen OMG IT'S GOT THREE CHEMICALS!! Wait until they break down the frightening chemical content of an organic rutabaga.

Reading anti/info sites whether scientific or not, they can't make up their minds. SHS has 250 toxic chemicals. But no wait, 600 carcinogens! No, 599 additives! 50 carcinogens! 4000 carcinogens. No, 4000 just plain chemicals. No no, 4000 poisons. 600 toxins! blahdeblahblahblah

I'm not ranting at you personally, I'm ranting at the fact that the anti culture has even us spinning fantastical numbers they can't manage to agree on amongst themselves, and I'm frustrated that we help spread the mythology, here, on thread after thread. It's not a majority of smokers that die of smoking diseases - how is that possible with those numbers as presented and the FEAR they are supposed to engender? I always say, cigarettes are bad enough, evil enough even, without having to lie about them.

I'll bet folks won't like the same scare tactic slight-of-hand when they apply it to ecig WHAT'S IN THAT numbers. It's not going to be 15, using the same criteria. Just breaking down 'tobacco essence' is likely to push it into triple digits. PRIMER CHEMICALS OH NOZ!!!

Thanks for listening.

/rant

**Iken** · 03-20-2009, 05:01 PM

Thanks again Sun. I really wish we had a member from FDA or Cancer society on this forum. They want tests? Well here they are, All the info and feedback from the Entire world. Not to mention Test subjects since 2007.
Its a complete Shame that they see us as a *what was the word* CULT? It's funny when a huge mass that really doesnt have that much political power agree on something is called.
Everytime I read on in these subjects, my mind can't help to play Yoko'ono's hit track.

So what I'm really trying to say is,
Would anyone care for some Chicken's blood and a few Massive orgies?

**Paint it Green** · 03-20-2009, 06:01 PM

Good luck , I wish you guys the best! You guys are representing all of us!

**ChainSmkr** · 03-20-2009, 06:24 PM

Best of luck and a great opportunity to educate the mis-informed. The good outweighs the bad. Since nicotine seems to be the main controversy, you may want to cover the nic content delivered per puff compared to an analog. I'm confident that most of us watch our nic levels and vape responsibly since our ultimate goal is to wean ourselves down to 0 nic.