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    Quote Originally Posted by rolygate View Post
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    From a personal point of view, I do think there is an argument to be made that ecigarettes will eventually cause severe problems for national tax revenues. Smokers fund the country, or at least a valuable proportion of its services, and we ignore this at our peril.

    You're talking about billions of dollars lost tax revenue and it it has to be found somewhere.
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    Therefore it is my belief that eventually we will see ecigs being taxed in some way, and personally I have no issue with that, as I prefer to see the roads repaired and the hospitals staffed. The money has to come from somewhere.

    One thing is for sure: in a few years time there will be a massive hole in state and national revenues, and to ignore that as a factor in ecigarette regulation is a mistake. If ecigarettes are allowed to be freely sold then they will be taxed - that is simply unescapable in the long run.
    True. SOME taxation is needed... BUT...

    Quote Originally Posted by North Shore View Post
    I disagree with the notion that anything other than federal and state income tax, as well as state sales tax (when bought in state) should ever be paid on the sale of these devices.
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    COMPLETELY agreed. Why ecigs should be taxed, in the same horrific manner as cigarettes, is beyond me. Neither cigarette smokers NOR ecigeratte smokers should be responsible for supporting so much of the economy. Perhaps this is a good time to 'spread the wealth' (Or deficit) and make the rest of the world pay their fair share.
    I pay taxes; state taxes, federal taxes, bed and breakfast taxes (tourism, no less), cigarette taxes, ad valorum taxes, etc etc... I also pay just as much for medical insurance, and am now trying to improve my health, so that I don't end up needing additional health care (because of my smoking). Why on earth would it be a good thing for me to continue paying ridiculous taxes on something I am doing to improve my health?? I am not following that line of thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by DC2 View Post
    Taxes on fast foods, sodas, candy, potato chips, cookies, etc..
    There's an idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vchick View Post
    Obviously you weren't sitting in a waiting room of Cleveland clinic where they are now removing all beverages with sugar. Yeah, I knew you were having a diet cola, right? I don't understand where society thinks that all of the chemical replacements/additives are a good thing, in anything, it just doesn't make sense. go figure!
    Oh, you've GOT to be kidding!!? That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet.
    I cannot see how drinking more chemicals is a good thing. I am a strong believer in "the more natural, the better". Real sugar, fresh fruit and vegatables, home cooked meals, etc, etc. The more processed and engineered we make our products, the less healthy we become. Ugh. I can't believe there hasn't been more backlash by the public. Is this something that was encouraged?

    Where is our country going that we think smoking chemically laden cigarettes and drinking soda laced with unnatural additives is better for our body/mind/spirt???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vchick View Post
    Obviously you weren't sitting in a waiting room of Cleveland clinic where they are now removing all beverages with sugar. Yeah, I knew you were having a diet cola, right? I don't understand where society thinks that all of the chemical replacements/additives are a good thing, in anything, it just doesn't make sense. go figure!
    "Health" organizations warn that no level of drinking cola is safe.

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    Quote by Rolygate: Billions of dollars in tobacco tax cannot just disappear without some sort of consequence. The consequences are that revenue departments will try to ban e-cigarettes, when they finally wake up, and/or that ecigs will be taxed in some additional way. Right now, ecigs are under the radar for Treasury departments, but they'll wake up sooner or later.

    Quote by Bill Godshall: Regarding taxation, as one who has been actively involved with cigarette and tobacco product taxation and government budgeting policies/processess (at the local, state and federal levels) for the past 20 years, I don't foresee any e-cigarette taxation proposals by e-cigarette opponents at the local, state, or federal level (here in the US) unless/until the FDA losses the SE/NJOY lawsuit, unless/until the FDA promulgates and gives final approval for regulating e-cigarettes as tobacco products, and unless/until sales of e-cigarettes increase by at least another 5-10 times.

    Quote by Bill Godshall: Since 1994 I've urged five different governors and 8 different legislatures in Pennsylvania to impose a reasonable tax on smokeless tobacco products and cigars. Until several years ago when Governor Rendell finally included a modest tax on Other Tobacco Products (OTP) in his budget proposal, I was repeatedly told by administrations and legislatures that OTP would generate enough tax revenue to make the fight (to enact an OTP tax) worthwhile.

    WELL, LOOKS LIKE IT'S STARTED ALREADY!

    Effective August 1, 2010 a new law stating that E-cigarettes must be taxed as an OTP item in the state of Minnesota.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCB View Post
    WELL, LOOKS LIKE IT'S STARTED ALREADY!

    Effective August 1, 2010 a new law stating that E-cigarettes must be taxed as an OTP item in the state of Minnesota.
    Do you have a link to the information on this?

    I'm curious how they plan to implement it, since most of the OTP taxes are based on weight of the product. It wouldn't be fair to include the weight of the hardware. If only cartridges are taxed, will they stick to the weight only of the liquid? (How much does a pack of 5 cartridges, containing a total of 2.5 ml. of liquid weigh?)

    What if the liquid contains nothing that comes from tobacco (i.e., zero-nic liquid)?


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    I obviously don't know how to link it, because I tried to in my post but it didn't work. I got it from the thread by that title posted by Skinny yesterday at 11:16 p.m. Yvilla says the tax rate would be 70% of the wholesale price.

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    'Sokay. I found the other thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rothenbj View Post
    "Health" organizations warn that no level of drinking cola is safe.
    It isn't just in cola, it's all beverages. I would rather have in moderation the good stuff than the chemical sweetners, I get migraines from it.

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    Here's the link

    Tax on ecig

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    Quote Originally Posted by leannebug View Post

    Oh, you've GOT to be kidding!!? That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet.
    I cannot see how drinking more chemicals is a good thing. I am a strong believer in "the more natural, the better". Real sugar, fresh fruit and vegatables, home cooked meals, etc, etc. The more processed and engineered we make our products, the less healthy we become. Ugh. I can't believe there hasn't been more backlash by the public. Is this something that was encouraged?

    Where is our country going that we think smoking chemically laden cigarettes and drinking soda laced with unnatural additives is better for our body/mind/spirt???
    First they banned smoking, then this, I can't see where there is even a trade off?

    See the article here; http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2010/07/sugar-sweetened_food_beverages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vchick View Post
    First they banned smoking, then this, I can't see where there is even a trade off?

    See the article here; http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2010/07/sugar-sweetened_food_beverages.
    Feel free to drink all the soda you want, provided it tastes like doggy-poo.

    At least it will match the (only permissable) flavor of those legal tobacco cigarettes.


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