Blood test lab results for nicotine levels!!!

[arembee]

Blood test lab results for nicotine levels!!!

Maybe these results should be forwarded to the FDA via snail mail so they can see it and feel it.

[DaBrat]

I'm still trying to see how this would be a win-win. I think you're assuming that everyone who picks up an e-cig quits cigarettes. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Lots of people are not able to get off of analogs using e-cigs. The reason is that e-cigs are a lousy source of nicotine. It's not even equal to nicotine gum.

For some people it works. For others it doesn't. You may be able to get by with 1/10 the nicotine you did with analogs but many can't.

I'm simply trying to be realistic. You may want to look at this thread

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...te-so-low.html

Do you know of any cessation device that DOES work 100% of the time except death? From what I read here it is definitely more effective than anything big pharma has come out with. That and from my own personal experience. When I was still in the office, I watched friends remove their nic patches to smoke outdoors, definite no no!!!

Patrick Swayze, suffering from pancreatic cancer, has still been photograhed with an analog. Smoking is a hard addiction to kick and ANYHTING than lessens your exposure or in most cases, completely stops it without all the BS put forth by the FDA should be applauded.

[TimLa]

I was a pack-a-day smoker since age 12 (I'm 50).

Last analog was July 31st, been vaping ever since. Yes, there was withdrawal, for about 4 days, now it's just pattern behavior.

Food tastes EXCELLENT and I can smell things I'd completely forgotten about.

In two weeks+ of vaping, I usually refill the cart with 3-5 drops of Johnson Creek, and can't see that I'll run out soon.

My friends and family are fascinated by it, cuz nothing else worked. This very likely saved my life.

-T

[TheB0lt]

Hello!

I think everyone makes good points in this thread.

The sharing of thoughts and experiences is what helps us ... in all aspects of life.

My two cents on this one is as follows:

My mother
- 40+ year smoker of analog cigs.
- Received eCig from me as gift.
- Quit smoking that day -- tossed everything analog away.
- Hasn't smoked an analog in two weeks and feels no urge to.
- Is on 11mg of liquid, but is just as comfortable at 6.
- Has no more morning coughing fit (it was bad!).
- Has no more wheezing.
- Is breathing much better.

Me
- 20+ year smoker (off & on).
- Same results as Dear 'ole Mum.

My Cousin
- 25+ year smoker.
- Tried Chantex with horrible side affects and smoked after.
- Tried gum as directed. Finished recently and is craving smoking as badly as ever.
- Would she with an eCig? I honestly don't think so.

There really is something to be said about the habit --true habit-- of smoking.

I LOVED to smoke. After a good meal, during a good conversation, just because. My mother didn't -- she just had to!

The feel of eCigs (regular type, funky-colored pen -- doesn't matter) and the liberation from the hundreds (if not thousands) of evil ingrediants makes it a winner.

Will it work for everyone? Probably not. But what does?! For us, it seems as though nic may not have been the worst of the "addiction", but it's still nice to see that apparently we're getting much much less than analogs.

Take care all,

Dan

[vapor4u2c]

All I can say is on September 23 I started to Vape 24mg. I thought maybe I was getting too much nicotine. So I decided that I should go to 12mg. I did that up until I just got my 0nic order from Juicy Vapor on this past Saturday. I have been on 0 nic since, only a couple of days but feel great. What and how long did I smoke. . . .Cherry Swisher Sweet Mini cigars 1.5-2 packs a day and inhaled everyone of them. I smoked Camel non filters from 15-21 then went to camel wides from 21-25 and have smoked nothing but Swishers from 25yrs old up to 35 (which was this past September). 20 years of nasty smoking, trying patches, pills, frustration. . . . now I'm nic free in less than a month. I think vaping is a great way to rid yourself from smoking. . . .if that is truly what you want to do. My brother who will be 40 in a few months smoked 2 pack + a day and now is on 12mg and soon going to no nic in 3 weeks! For me this is like a miracle

[telsie]

Fascinating information. This makes we really want to get some blood work done in a few weeks.

[sevryn999]

Yeah makes me want to get tested too.. Official numbers are always good!

[hifistud]

Some people on this forum are starting to sound a whole lot like the anti nicotine/smoking crowd.

I've noticed this too...

[Closet Toker]

No wonder I still crave analogs.

Perhaps the "sludge" in a smokers lungs contains Nicotine, thus keeping a constant flow of the drug to the blood supply?

Vaping, being a more pure delivery method, allows the Nicotine to break down more quickly?

.

[Stubby]

No wonder I still crave analogs.

Perhaps the "sludge" in a smokers lungs contains Nicotine, thus keeping a constant flow of the drug to the blood supply?

Vaping, being a more pure delivery method, allows the Nicotine to break down more quickly?

.

I'm amazed this thread is still active. Haven't checked for a while. So it goes.

Actually I'm glad it is as I've been able to refine my views a bit in the last few months.

I don't think you were getting nicotine satisfaction because of the sludge, though it is a rather humorous idea.

If You're craving nicotine its because e-cigs are not a very good nicotine delivery system, as all the research points to. Anyone who doubts that is living in La-La land. Some people seem to be able to adapt to that, others are not. I'm interested in those that have problems. If you're using your e-cig and everything is peaches and cream, then good for you. Carry on.

Recently, on another forum dedicated to snus, stories have begun to come out on the failures of e-cigs. I dubbed it the e-cig refuge thread. Some interesting and crazy stuff. All of it dealing with the fact that e-cigs are just not delivering the goods. All the problems appear to disappear when a good source of nicotine is used, in this case snus. There are some good lessons in this for everyone who is interested in reduced harm and helping people get off the cigarettes.

E-cigs have there limitations. They are not gods gift to smokers. What they are is one of a family of reduced harm tobacco/nicotine products, and with little doubt, the one with the worst nicotine delivery. It does have the hand-to-mouth oral fixation thing going for it, but after that it can fall short. I've seen to many threads from people struggling with this issue and getting nothing but very bad advise from nearly everyone on the forum.

If you're pushing the agenda that e-cigs are the only legitimate reduced harm approach, as many on the forum do, and most on this thread have, your dead wrong. It's an ignorant and dangerous viewpoint.

A more sane and effective approach is to recognize all the proven reduced harm products, and use them in whatever combination works. This would include e-cigs, snus, nasal snuff, and dissolvables.

If your chain vaping all day to keep the demons at bay, e-cigs are not working for you. Its time to supplement you e-cig with a more robust form or nicotine. If you've been using the e-cig for a reasonable amount of time and still not able to get off the cigarettes, its time to try other things. Taking this approach would very likely greatly increase the chances of getting and staying off the cigs.

The e-cig fanaticism being pushed by many is not a good thing for the reduced harm movement, and especially for the people for whom e-cigs are not the whole answer.