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    Yesterday evening, I spent the evening with a friend working for a big tobacco name as a lab researcher. He saw me vaping and flat out told me that it was way worse than an analog, according to tests he had conducted himself.

    His argument was that of all e-cigarettes models he tested, none were able to produce consistent temperature of the atomizer. It meant that the nicotine contained in the e-liquid would react differently between two tokes. As such, a "burnt" nicotine molecule would produce cancerous molecules way worse than in an analog. He attributed this behavior to the e-cigarette's inability to control the delivery of e-liquid to the atomizer. When underfed, the atomizer would burn too hot, while when overflown, the atomizer would light up to a lower temperature.

    Consequently, he mentioned the inability of an e-cigarette to control the size of the vapor drops: the biggest (low temperature) would get stuck in the throat, while the smallest (burnt) would go as far as the alveolars of the lungs.

    Before starting vaping, I have read almost any study I could lay my hands on and none mentioned this in particular. When I confronted my friend with this, he mentioned than even the biggest universities didn't have the testing equipment big tobacco industries had.

    His advice to me was: if you must vape, do it without nicotine. If you need your nicotine, light up a fag, it's way less harmful to you.

    I have known this friend for a long time and completely trust him. I know that he wouldn't try big tobacco propaganda on me and he looked genuinely worried seeing me vaping. This evening has left me pondering on what he told me. I'd be quite interested to hear your opinion (or first-hand lab knowledge) on this. Is there really cause for concern?
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    If it really is as bad as he says it is, why are BT companies branching out into e-cig sales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmknight View Post
    If it really is as bad as he says it is, why are BT companies branching out into e-cig sales?
    Are they yet? It'd be interesting to see how different they products are from "ours".

    Has anyone any insight on what I've been told?

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    Something smells fishy here.
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    So the message is: big tobacco should be put in charge of every major scientific study on earth because they have better testing equipment than everyone else, and that study should include a cure for cancer a horrific disease that is caused by their cigarettes but for some reason they continue to sell a gazillion of them per year.... And we need to be thankful to them for saving our lives with an ecig alternative? I'll take my chances on that one lol!

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    Uh, if it burns in a PV, it definitely burns in an analog and yes, at least 3 of the big tobacco companies are heavily invested in electronic versions. What does your friend do for BT? Methinks I smell a troll.

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    Maybe your friend actually believes his own comments but I really don't think his position is plausible. I find it hard to believe that the studies done by university researchers, such as at Drexel University in Philadelphia, are inferior to the testing done by tobacco companies.

    And since your friend mentioned "atomizers", I'm sure the only PV's he studied are the VASTLY inferior models made by Big Tobacco, like Blu, which are sold in gas stations for $9. Most cig-a-like models are very inconsistent. Most of the models we use are "regulated" and provide a much more consistent power level. It's ironic, considering your friends comments, that Big Tobacco makes no PV's like the ones most of us use and I'm sure have no intention of ever providing a better PV.

    Here is the latest study I referenced:

    CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk
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    This is the second post that I have read today making unverifiable assertions in the first person. This is a rhetorical ploy that means the reader feels reluctant to challenge what is said because they have effectively been asked to trust the poster. This style of post makes me feel uncomfortable.

    I also feel that the thread title is misleading as the reported comments of a "friend" can hardly be taken to be the official views of Big Tobacco.
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    Hey, to all of you: don't take my post as a provocation or anything like that. For what it's worth, I really had this discussion and I make no assumption whatsoever on this. I'm just genuinely intrigued by what I heard and thought I'd ask the community on this. Of course it's hearsay, but it has me wondered. I never said it is proof of something, just what I heard and nothing more.

    Instead of calling me a troll, I'd really love to read something here adding to the conversation. Darn, susceptible much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmknight View Post
    If it really is as bad as he says it is, why are BT companies branching out into e-cig sales?
    That's not exactly a good question, since BT had no problems poisioning us in the past.

    According to my Dr. unless you have certain health problems, nicotine is not bad for you. So nicotine molecules getting stuck in throat or going deeper doesn't bother me per se. Flavorings and such, however, do worry me. I would love to know what the actual cell damage is when getting hit with eliquid, etc.

    However, switzerland researchers tend to be on cutting edge of these things, I will give your friend a wee bit of credit since he is talking about "how" the nicotine is actually vaporized on the atty. I DO agree that BT has the very best testing equipment, there is no doubt in my mind about that, they have it all figured out, don't kid yourselves.

    Since there is no research proving what your friend said is true or false yet, we can't just toss his thoughts, IMHO.

    Bottom line for me is that I have to stay off the cigarettes, which due to their combustible nature, I am quite sure are worse than ecigs. HOw much worse I do not know yet, but I know they are worse.

    My whole feeling about vaping, from the very start, has been "less is more". I don't vape at super high temps, I spend at least part of the day vaping unflavored nic solution, and I don't vape at higher nicotine levels than I really *need*. Sometimes, at night, I even vape ZERO NIC solution with no flavorings.

    I don't think it's right calling somebody a troll every time somebody muses on the safety of ecigs. If it ws totally safe it would not be called harm reduction. It would be called harm free. As for friends, I have friends who designed space station freedom, and researchers in aerospace, and you can be DARN SURE I take what they say about aircraft quite seriously. That is because they have extensive specialized training that I do not have, and if they have a tidbit of info to offer, I'm going to at least liisten.
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