Changed order mod idea: atomiser, juice, battery - E-Cigarette Forum

kinabaloo · 03-05-2009, 06:23 AM

Because the present design passes hot vapour in the opposite direction to the liquid flow, and in the same space, there are two detrimental effects: first that the air flow 'fights' the liquid flow and dries it, second this longish path causes some recondensation of the vapour inside the e-device.

So i propose taking off the cartridge and reversing the atomiser. The mouthpiece is now the atomiser (with a short plastic tip attached). The liquid feed end of the atomiser is now on the other side. So the cartridge holder will be next with the battery last as usual. A small problem will be getting the positive power line past the cartridge (though the space the cartridge leaves for air flow could be used for a wire).

I guess this is both a mod idea and a proposal for new designs of vaporiser. I know that changing cartridge would be a bit more hassle but the prospects for improved performance would seem good.

ceo51378 · 03-05-2009, 12:19 PM

It's a great idea. I was thinking about something like that myself... though I'd have no idea where to start. I also thought it would be nice to remove the batting style cartridge all together; and have an e-juice reservoir that can prime the atomizer with the push of a button. Then all of your puffs are driptastic.

kinabaloo · 03-05-2009, 01:45 PM

ceo - indeed, the small current cart capacity is another drawback. I am not sure if there is a good reason why the juice container doesnt extend further towards the air inlet hole - looks like it could be 5mm longer easily.

Elsewhere I have suggested a piezoelectric transducer to send a mist to the heater element, and this would certainly work much better if 'on the other side' of the atomiser. A simple push nozzle as found on an inhaler would also work, perhaps better (certainly simpler) in which case a 'super button' that pressed both the electrical switch and fluid nozzle spray could be utilised.

macpanda · 03-05-2009, 08:01 PM

i have been thinking of a idea that would put the battery by the mouth, the atomizer in the middle and the juice at the very end. and a LED light on the barrel or around the barrel.

the Battery would never flood and a cart could be made to be filled on both sides. though i would imagine the atomizer would have to be slightly changed.

I was also considering this for a pipe mod. putting the atomizer in the pipe and the battery in the mouth part. allowing a larger atomizer and easy dripping.

mogur · 05-17-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kinabaloo

Because the present design passes hot vapour in the opposite direction to the liquid flow, and in the same space, there are two detrimental effects: first that the air flow 'fights' the liquid flow and dries it, second this longish path causes some recondensation of the vapour inside the e-device.

So i propose taking off the cartridge and reversing the atomiser. The mouthpiece is now the atomiser (with a short plastic tip attached). The liquid feed end of the atomiser is now on the other side. So the cartridge holder will be next with the battery last as usual. A small problem will be getting the positive power line past the cartridge (though the space the cartridge leaves for air flow could be used for a wire).

I guess this is both a mod idea and a proposal for new designs of vaporiser. I know that changing cartridge would be a bit more hassle but the prospects for improved performance would seem good.

Always love your ideas, kina my friend. Is this anything like what you had in mind?

Now, where'd you hide that piezo fogger, kina?

mogur · 05-18-2009, 01:12 AM

Eyeball liquid level by holding tip up...

Juice 'er up by holding tip down and squeezing briefly....

And if you're wondering how the wires get from the battery to the coil, I think the old fashioned way works best....

kinabaloo · 05-18-2009, 01:24 AM

It shouldn't be difficult to arange the poistve power line without pylons - lol.

I like the idea of using a piezo to get juice to the heater coil. It could be finely tuned in terms of flow rate and be activated concurrently with the heater coil. However a simple drip when needed would be simplest; perhpas by a simple squeezy bottle or push pump as you have suggested.

A big advantage here, particularly of the piezo version, is that the juice is much more sealed and so far less likely to cause leakage of juice into mouth.

ps: you are a real daemon with the CAD illustrator!

kinabaloo · 05-18-2009, 01:30 AM

pps: why put the air inlets so far back, behind the juice container? That would complicate the juice container section, for no good purpose.

mogur · 05-18-2009, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kinabaloo

pps: why put the air inlets so far back, behind the juice container? That would complicate the juice container section, for no good purpose.

Hey, a hood scoop up front is fine w/me... How about juice injection and a blower?

kinabaloo · 05-18-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mogur

Hey, a hood scoop up front is fine w/me... How about juice injection and a blower?

What ? Joking ?

03-05-2009, 06:23 AM	#1
kinabaloo PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,395	Changed order mod idea: atomiser, juice, battery Because the present design passes hot vapour in the opposite direction to the liquid flow, and in the same space, there are two detrimental effects: first that the air flow 'fights' the liquid flow and dries it, second this longish path causes some recondensation of the vapour inside the e-device. So i propose taking off the cartridge and reversing the atomiser. The mouthpiece is now the atomiser (with a short plastic tip attached). The liquid feed end of the atomiser is now on the other side. So the cartridge holder will be next with the battery last as usual. A small problem will be getting the positive power line past the cartridge (though the space the cartridge leaves for air flow could be used for a wire). I guess this is both a mod idea and a proposal for new designs of vaporiser. I know that changing cartridge would be a bit more hassle but the prospects for improved performance would seem good.

03-05-2009, 08:01 PM	#4
macpanda Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Geneva, IL Posts: 102	i have been thinking of a idea that would put the battery by the mouth, the atomizer in the middle and the juice at the very end. and a LED light on the barrel or around the barrel. the Battery would never flood and a cart could be made to be filled on both sides. though i would imagine the atomizer would have to be slightly changed. I was also considering this for a pipe mod. putting the atomizer in the pipe and the battery in the mouth part. allowing a larger atomizer and easy dripping. __________________ I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul. Been analog free since 2-18-09

05-18-2009, 01:24 AM	#7
kinabaloo PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,395	It shouldn't be difficult to arange the poistve power line without pylons - lol. I like the idea of using a piezo to get juice to the heater coil. It could be finely tuned in terms of flow rate and be activated concurrently with the heater coil. However a simple drip when needed would be simplest; perhpas by a simple squeezy bottle or push pump as you have suggested. A big advantage here, particularly of the piezo version, is that the juice is much more sealed and so far less likely to cause leakage of juice into mouth. ps: you are a real daemon with the CAD illustrator! __________________ Link: Vaping Buzzz : Article Base & FAQ ... *New Design

05-18-2009, 01:30 AM	#8
kinabaloo PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,395	pps: why put the air inlets so far back, behind the juice container? That would complicate the juice container section, for no good purpose. __________________ Link: Vaping Buzzz : Article Base & FAQ ... *New Design

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03-05-2009, 12:19 PM	#2
ceo51378 Full Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Annapolis MD Posts: 124	It's a great idea. I was thinking about something like that myself... though I'd have no idea where to start. I also thought it would be nice to remove the batting style cartridge all together; and have an e-juice reservoir that can prime the atomizer with the push of a button. Then all of your puffs are driptastic.

03-05-2009, 01:45 PM	#3
kinabaloo PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,395	ceo - indeed, the small current cart capacity is another drawback. I am not sure if there is a good reason why the juice container doesnt extend further towards the air inlet hole - looks like it could be 5mm longer easily. Elsewhere I have suggested a piezoelectric transducer to send a mist to the heater element, and this would certainly work much better if 'on the other side' of the atomiser. A simple push nozzle as found on an inhaler would also work, perhaps better (certainly simpler) in which case a 'super button' that pressed both the electrical switch and fluid nozzle spray could be utilised.

05-18-2009, 01:12 AM	#6
mogur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Whidbey Island, WA Posts: 170	Eyeball liquid level by holding tip up... Juice 'er up by holding tip down and squeezing briefly.... And if you're wondering how the wires get from the battery to the coil, I think the old fashioned way works best....