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    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    This is true. Vaping is not against the law in most public places. But stores also have the right to refuse service to customers.
    Of course. If the owner/manager tells you that they don't want vaping in their establishment... then you have to honor their wishes. Its their property. They make the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    It's not against the law to not wear shoes. But if you walk in a store without shoes on, there not going to arrest you, but they will probably ask you to leave.

    That kinda where vaping is at Wal-Mart.
    No its really not. Its well known that going into a store shoeless will likely result in being asked to leave. In fact, a lot of establishments have a sign at the door that forewarns you.

    I've vaped quite a few times in walmart and haven't had a problem. I even vaped in the check out line. Right in front of the bag lady and cashier. They were looking right at me and didn't utter a word. Theres no sign at the door that says you can't vape either. So shoeless and vaping are not in the same category of "unacceptable behavior".

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    zoiDman,

    Apparently you have missed or conveniently ignored the MANY posts that have promoted individual rights and included such typical phrases as "On the other hand, when 'challenged', be polite, respectfully ask for permission, explain your stand and comply with the resultant decision." BTW, that is a quote from my Post #17 in this thread.

    It's somewhat tiresome for you to continue to attack what your canned responses can 'challenge'. There have been very few folk here that have promoted vaping anarchism. Most have a reasonable outlook on this neo-nic environment and are shuffling in the dark to find a sensible and acceptable path.

    To spin phrases and mock those that are struggling to educate and 'convert' the public is not only a disservice to the whole vaping community, but also to those in the general public that could be weaned from tobacco. You conveniently pop up when a phase or comment makes a 'match' on your 'preprogrammed hit list'.

    As to my statement that you responded to, please spend more time in reading ALL the contents of ALL the posts. You'll probably find a common and civil thread woven within that makes your mundane and, honestly, boring knee-jerk responses very trite.

    Sure wish we could of had this discourse about 250 years ago! Never mind, different type of vaping back then...

    ETA: WOW, 5100 cigs avoided, vaping all the while. AND no one out in the public has treated me as rudely as some here on the ECF... waaaaah! (pout, vape, pout, vape...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incognito™ View Post
    Of course. If the owner/manager tells you that they don't want vaping in their establishment... then you have to honor their wishes. Its their property. They make the rules.
    ...
    Now this is something I can Completely agree with.

    Also, If everyone agreed with what you just said, we wouldn't even have threads about Vaping in public places.

    There wouldn't be any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iffy View Post
    zoiDman,

    Apparently you have missed or conveniently ignored the MANY posts that have promoted individual rights and included such typical phrases as "On the other hand, when 'challenged', be polite, respectfully ask for permission, explain your stand and comply with the resultant decision." BTW, that is a quote from my Post #17 in this thread.

    It's somewhat tiresome for you to continue to attack what your canned responses can 'challenge'. There have been very few folk here that have promoted vaping anarchism. Most have a reasonable outlook on this neo-nic environment and are shuffling in the dark to find a sensible and acceptable path.

    To spin phrases and mock those that are struggling to educate and 'convert' the public is not only a disservice to the whole vaping community, but also to those in the general public that could be weaned from tobacco. You conveniently pop up when a phase or comment makes a 'match' on your 'preprogrammed hit list'.

    As to my statement that you responded to, please spend more time in reading ALL the contents of ALL the posts. You'll probably find a common and civil thread woven within that makes your mundane and, honestly, boring knee-jerk responses very trite.

    Sure wish we could of had this discourse about 250 years ago! Never mind, different type of vaping back then...

    ETA: WOW, 5100 cigs avoided, vaping all the while. AND no one out in the public has treated me as rudely as some here on the ECF... waaaaah! (pout, vape, pout, vape...)
    Wow... Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

    I guess you could allways put me in your ignore list if it that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    Now this is something I can Completely agree with.

    Also, If everyone agreed with what you just said, we wouldn't even have threads about Vaping in public places.

    There wouldn't be any problems.
    Yeah but the point I'm getting from you is that you shouldn't vape where you can't smoke. Thats where the majority aren't going to agree with you (including me). Vape until your asked not to by an owner/manager. Thats my plan. Although, it has not happened to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    Wow... Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

    I guess you could allways put me in your ignore list if it that bad.
    Oh, you wish!!! Noper, I put no one on ignore. Why, you may ask? 'Cause I care more for the membership and the advancement of vaping than I do about being right or wrong in your mind.

    Challenge my rationale and I'll respond. But, I'd NEVER invite someone to put me on ignore. You have been silenced before in the face of rational truth. So, no way will I put you on ignore. You're too much fun!

    And, the only reason you're sorry for ruffling my feathers is that you can not dispute anything I've posted. Save that 'sorry' for when ya really need it; like when you really are in deep guano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brittanyNI View Post
    Vaping is NOT smoking. Chewing gum is NOT smoking. Tap dancing is NOT smoking, and saying the word "ship" is not the same thing as saying the word ".....", even though a person half-listening might mistake one for the other.

    The idea of automatically assuming that vaping is governed by the same rules as smoking is ridiculous imho. They are not at all the same thing. One is an open flame, burning plant materials and putting irritants and carcinogens into the air, and the other does none of these things.

    I understand that some might wish to restrict vaping for any number of reasons. For example, someone might observe me vaping (using a 140mm long PURPLE or GREEN device) and erroneously assume that I am smoking; and decide to light a cigarette. Management of an establishment might believe their patrons are so ungodly stupid that my vaping might fool them into believing all the rules against smoking indoors in public had been miraculously repealed. Rather than have to deal with explaining the difference to an i-d-10-t, they would want me not to vape.

    Others might wish to restrict it simply because it is a selfish pleasure in which they cannot share. Some people simply HATE to see anyone else enjoying themselves. Really.

    Others might be puritans who gain a certain glee from causing smokers to suffer by going long periods of time without smoking; and they would be enraged by someone vaping to skirt their little system. (Because for them, it is not about health -- it is about punishing sinners.)

    There could be lots of reasons.

    But unless there is a SPECIFIC RULE that quite specifically addresses vaping; it makes no sense for me to assume that rules pertaining to smoking, driving or any other unrelated activity apply.

    Many use vaping as an off-label stop-smoking tool; but just as many use it as a means of using nicotine in places where smoking is prohibited (such as the lavatories of airplanes). I have used it to cut down substantially on smoking, but also to be able to use nicotine in places where smoking is not allowed.

    Therefore I have quite specifically vaped in bars and restaurants. I do not assume it is prohibited unless there is a sign specifically disallowing the practice.

    I've never vaped in Walmart; but I don't think I've ever been there for longer than a few minutes either.
    The only one that I'm aware of that actually a legitimate ban is on an airplane!

    There's no fresh air on a plane, its all recirculated.

    Your exhale DOES contain nicotine and has been proven in hospitals (where patients heavily vaped) that the exhaled nicotine negatively affected other patients in the same room.

    So as many other have pointed out, vaping in non-smoking areas is pretty much asking for trouble!

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    I have been informed by an associate from another store that there is a wal-mart policy against e-cigarettes. I will have to check this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shekinahsgroom View Post
    ... has been proven in hospitals (where patients heavily vaped) that the exhaled nicotine negatively affected other patients in the same room.
    Would you please provide a link to that study? For I have not seen any study addressing that specific scenario. Not that I don't see the possibility, but, there hasn't even been a definitive study on nic absorption via vaping (let alone second-hand vaping).

    ETA: There are several personal posts on the ECF that completely counters your statement. Some members and their non-vaping/smoking mates have been nic tested and NOT ONE report has demonstrated such a transitional interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shekinahsgroom View Post
    So as many other have pointed out, vaping in non-smoking areas is pretty much asking for trouble!
    To all those who wish enter into a self-imposed exile with the smokers - have a ball. Enjoy the weather out there.

    Vaping isn't smoking. How much simpler can it get?

    I don't assume that I can't chew gum just because smoking isn't allowed. Why would I assume any other dissimilar activity would be forbidden?

    Until told otherwise (in other words, neither smoking nor vaping are allowed) I shall merrily vape in a manner that does not not offend the other shoppers. Because I'm not smoking. I only wish the other shoppers would extend me the same courtesy when it comes to their kids.
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