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    Default Question about coloring the vapor (NOT what you think!)

    Okay, so we all know that coloring the liquid will do absolutely jack .... about coloring the vapor due to how it's processed.
    HOWEVER, there in lies our problem...

    We've been too busy looking for ways to color the liquid BEFORE the vaporizing process.
    What we would need is something that would be able to "inject" the color into the vapor WHILE it's atomic structure is being composed (when it's made.)

    The other option that I find semi-logical, and plausible is finding a chemical solution to doing so. The same way we can charge ions, and attach to them with other molecules, we could (Theoretically) do the same with color.
    Albeit we still have the problems with making sure it's safe, but do these seem illogical to you, because while I may not be a master alchemist (except in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) I am a HUGE fan of all things science, and thinking that there has to be a way, but we have to break out of the "liquid box" and start focusing on the vapor alone.

    Post your thoughts. I'm sure that most people will say "not possible" immediately in their heads just because there's a high level of complexity to things like this, but I'm not asking if it's improbable due to difficulty. I'm asking if it's plausible at ALL!

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    I don't know if it is plausible or not, but I really don't understand the reason people want to do this, part of why we feel better vaping is the fact it is less chemicals we are forcing into our bodies, but yet doing this type of stuff will just mean more chemicals, not to mention then more people with sensitivities. There are a lot of people who have allergies to food colors and dyes.
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    Why not just buy a laser pointer and leave the juice alone, isn't it about the flavor and not looks?

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    I love science too, and I mean no offense. But...

    Just because we can, does not mean we should.

    That is a basic fundamental of responsible science. Vapor from a PV is just that; a vapor as a result of a reaction that does not naturally produce a color.

    Also, the causality of it all; smoking has yet to see a need for it. Surely it has been thought of along with candy cigarettes and Joe Camel.

    E-cigs should not be the next big rave tool for freaked-out adolescent morons, IMO. We have enough obstacles.

    Designer colors of vapour sounds like something a corporate entity would love to have...in Japan. And, would immediately cause banning in America as a lure to youth.

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    I agree with the fact that no one wants to be the guinea pig, and also to the Japan rave statement, and the fact that I enjoy it because there are less chemicals.
    I'm just offering a method of suggestion that wouldn't involve having to modify this, counter that, blah blah blah - when working with the liquid base when you could probably simplify the process (once you figure it out) by working with the vapor directly.
    I wouldn't even want to have colored vapor to be honest; and I whole heartedly agree that the MOMENT things "catch on" to the Justin Bieber crowd we as e-smokers are screwed provided by that time we haven't made enough of a financial grasp on america for them to want to keep us.
    Let's face it, they've never once considered banning smoking in general just because of the fact that every single day there are hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on cigarettes alone in Texas. God only knows what the U.S. numbers look like.
    Regardless, this isn't something that I brought up to stir a political, or opinionated debate. I'm just wondering if - from a scientific standpoint - would working with the molecular structure of the vapor be easier than trying to modify the entire base; and it's contents in terms of actually getting it done.

    And, I am not entirely sure, but I hope that you're not calling me a "freaked-out ......" I've never attended a drug fest (rave) in my life, nor would I. I may be a big fan of smoking, drinking, science, and music; but I don't mix them all into one experience :P

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    Vapor is white, because full-spectrum (white) light is reflected in each of the microscopic vapor droplets. Nothing's going to change that. The only way to color vapor would be to blow it at a colored light.

    How do you propose to change the molecular structure of water droplets as they are being exhaled from a human? I say "Myth Busted"!

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    There is always a way to do things. We could have a device in our cheek, or a "tab" that we put on our tongue that causes the reaction. I'm well aware of why water vapor is white; although I appreciate the lesson as misplaced as it were. I'm just opening minds, and possibilities, not looking for "well this is why you can't" because if we lived by that we wouldn't even have e-cigs now would we?
    Or as the vapor is created before the process of inhalation we could perform the process in the atomizer/cartomizer as it's being vaporized (swear I said that.)
    Hypothesis, and theorem are not myths btw. (Although I do understand your attempt.)

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    Heh, I've had lots of tabs on my tongue, so I can relate to your process...not sure that a good discussion for ECF though....check the rules mate.
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    I wasn't referring to THOSE tabs. I was referring to Breath Fresheners. Not sure what part about don't do drugs/raves you didn't get from above >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracconus View Post
    I'm just wondering if - from a scientific standpoint - would working with the molecular structure of the vapor be easier than trying to modify the entire base; and it's contents in terms of actually getting it done.
    I edited my post a bit, I usually do that....my bad.

    I do like what you are saying here, but in a different way. I don't want to discourage you.

    Could we change the nicotine neuroreceptors to disallow the nicotine and freebase nicotine absorption that is a base cause of our addiction?

    I am decent in science, but the level of stuff that is going on into WTA research and the like..that is such staggering insight into so many fields at once it is amazing. I totally want to see a SPECT of a smoker's brain VS a vaper.....

    I can understand nearly all of the "words" my cat can say, and she has a lot of 'em. But, neurochemistry and psychobiology is a bit beyond me.
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