Smoking Everywhere

**saintjamison** · 01-17-2010, 03:02 PM

Say what you will about SE (I know I have!) but look where all of our sucker money has gone! Ever had a package confiscated at the border? SE did us A LOT of justice! Ok, their product is inferior, over-priced and their customer service is horrible! BOOOOOOOOO! But they fought a good fight for our vaping rights and for that....... I'm grateful! I look at my purchase from them as a donation to the cause, when before, I was griping about a horrible experience. Now that I look back, I'm glad I went through it and would do it again in a heart-beat!

**bonniegirl** · 01-17-2010, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintjamison

Say what you will about SE (I know I have!) but look where all of our sucker money has gone! Ever had a package confiscated at the border? SE did us A LOT of justice! Ok, their product is inferior, over-priced and their customer service is horrible! BOOOOOOOOO! But they fought a good fight for our vaping rights and for that....... I'm grateful! I look at my purchase from them as a donation to the cause, when before, I was griping about a horrible experience. Now that I look back, I'm glad I went through it and would do it again in a heart-beat!

With you all the way. I found e-cigs because of the kiosk in the mall....paid way too much....$150.00 and took a 1 hour trip every week to buy carts as I knew no better. That was a year ago and a lifetime....literally. I would be dead wthout e-cigs after three heart attacks and triple bypass at the age of 45. I was one of the originators of the Amicus Brief in support of the SE/NJoy v FDA case and well....the concessions...calling us smokers...was very hard but in the end?.....Their marketting strategies/claims were the cornerstone for our victory in this battle. We owe a debt of gratitude to SE even if we disagree with their business tactics, poor product, high prices and rude salespeople. They had the balls to go to court and fight while others stood by....they had the chutzpah to enter mainstream shopping America and "smoke" in the mall....they had the costs of a federal case with lawyers that fought a good fight...(Thanks Legalone)..and for my $150.00 I believe I got my monies worth and then some.
I now vape a Chuck an Xhaler, a protege and a PS pasthru and have 10- 510 manual kits for backup and have been analog free for nearly a year.
However bad SE is...and make no mistake....IMHO their products and service are real bad......SE gets a pass from me

When buying anything.... CAVEAT EMPTOR....JMHO

**Kurt** · 01-17-2010, 10:28 PM

I've certainly had bad things to say here about SE, from their over-priced short-lived PVs, to their selling tactics. However, now I am very grateful that they fought a long hard battle against the evil FDA well and won for all of us. At least for now PVs are not drug systems the FDA can ban outright, rather they are recreational modified-risk tobacco products, and thus are no different than the myriad other tobacco-based nic sources. In fact, I was so grateful to them that I almost went out and bought one out of support...almost...not quite, though. I still think the SE PV is an overpriced POS. But I strongly admire their tenacity and lawyer team for setting such a valuable precedent for future battles against the insane FDA.

**5cardstud** · 01-17-2010, 10:33 PM

Ya there the ones that told me they were the only ones with nicotine in their juice and that we were all smoking librium. Wierd guys.

**Kurt** · 01-17-2010, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by 5cardstud

Ya there the ones that told me they were the only ones with nicotine in their juice and that we were all smoking librium. Wierd guys.

Librium?!?! WTF?!?

They actually said that?? Librium is a prescription-only sedating drug! I think their quality control on kiosk workers needs some work...are they telling these people to just make things up? Why don't they just say that with all other models we are smoking uranium, or cranium, or stadium? Those make about as much sense.

**ontheroadtoquitting** · 01-22-2010, 12:44 AM

huh? anything for a sale, obviously. Freaking scam artists.

**arkansas500** · 02-15-2010, 02:50 PM

Steer Way Clear of Smoking Everywhere. The BBB gives them a solid "F".

**arkansas500** · 02-15-2010, 03:01 PM

Sorry, I didn't realize I already posted to this thread. So, having read the messages from the folks that say that SE is good because of the legal battle they won.....that doesn't do it for me. That just tells me they were fighting for their right to defraud thousands of customers. Again, the Better Business Bureau gives SE an "F". Go read some of the feedback posts about SE on the BBB site. It's BBB dot org. Sorry, I'm a stickler for honesty, integrity, ethics and taking care of the customer. SE has none of these traits....just the ability to lawyer-up and win a case.

**Jim Davis** · 02-15-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintjamison

Say what you will about SE (I know I have!) but look where all of our sucker money has gone! Ever had a package confiscated at the border? SE did us A LOT of justice! Ok, their product is inferior, over-priced and their customer service is horrible! BOOOOOOOOO! But they fought a good fight for our vaping rights and for that....... I'm grateful! I look at my purchase from them as a donation to the cause, when before, I was griping about a horrible experience. Now that I look back, I'm glad I went through it and would do it again in a heart-beat!

I really don't agree that the product is inferior. Overpriced yes, but the SE Gold is a standard Model RN4081. I've been using the 4081 for a year now, and I'll put it up against most other models any time. I also use a 510, but the 4081 attys are more rugged and give better hit & vapor than the 510.