making zero nic juice - E-Cigarette Forum

ainako · 12-03-2008, 06:52 PM

I was reading a few posts in the DIY liquid sections and it seems that the most difficult thing is nicotine extraction. Correct me if I'm wrong but smoke juice is liquid nicotine mixed with flavorings mixed with either PG or VG. So in theory if one would want to make a zero nic juice all one would do is mix flavors with either PG or VG right? if so where can I get PG/VG and the flavorings?

No burn baby · 12-03-2008, 07:08 PM

The current understanding is that VG is probably a safer option than PG so you may as well go for that if you are home brewing. You can get it from the chemist/drug store. Look for bottles of food grade Glycerin BP, or look on ebay. The flavourings can be obtained online and from cake and candy stores. You need to be careful to avoid colouring, oil and sugar though. Lor Ann flavourings are quite highly rated, perform a google search and ye shall find. In the DIY juice sub forum Kate, our resident expert, has many a handy suggestion and has posted a list of the OK Lor Ann flavours to use (i.e sugar/colour etc. free.) There is another US brand of flavourings too that i've heard referred to a lot, someone will let you know I'm sure. VG is super gloopy so you may want to dilute it a little with alcohol and/or distilled water. I've not gotten round to my experimentations yet as I'm still awaiting my flavourings but the recipe I have jotted down to try is as follows (I am personally aiming for the purest, simplest formula possible):

20% distilled water
10% vodka
10 - 20% Lor Ann flavouring (some are stronger than others)
60% glycerine

Tumbleweed4829 · 12-03-2008, 07:34 PM

I guess it has always confused me why you want to mix flavorings with PG or VG. Why not use the flavorings straight? Most of the flavorings already have PG in them so why add any?

ainako · 12-03-2008, 07:38 PM

thanks! and to reply to tumbleweed my understanding as to why you don't just use the flavorings by themselves is that they are super concentrated flavors and might not taste so good by itself. Also the amount of PG in the flavors might not be enough to produce a good amount of vapor.

youfillintheblank · 12-03-2008, 07:40 PM

I'm about to try my own black tea recipie. 2 teabags in a half ounce of water in the microwave should make a nice strong taste one would imagine. Mix 50/50 with glycrine, maybe a drop of vodka. Maybe a glass afterwards if it tastes like crap

Kate · 12-03-2008, 08:21 PM

Bickfords flavours can be vaped neat but the LorAnn candy flavours are very strong and taste better diluted.

I'd be interested in hearing how your experiment goes Youfillintheblank, I like black tea and might give that a go myself.

youfillintheblank · 12-03-2008, 08:46 PM

Verdict:

Back to the drawing board on that one! All I taste is the glycerine. I'll wait till Totally wicked comes to north america, and try theirs. Tea from a bag is for drinking. Case closed.

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Originally Posted by Kate

Bickfords flavours can be vaped neat but the LorAnn candy flavours are very strong and taste better diluted.

I'd be interested in hearing how your experiment goes Youfillintheblank, I like black tea and might give that a go myself.

Kate · 12-03-2008, 08:49 PM

Fair enough, thanks for the feedback.

12-03-2008, 06:52 PM	#1
ainako Senior Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 224	making zero nic juice I was reading a few posts in the DIY liquid sections and it seems that the most difficult thing is nicotine extraction. Correct me if I'm wrong but smoke juice is liquid nicotine mixed with flavorings mixed with either PG or VG. So in theory if one would want to make a zero nic juice all one would do is mix flavors with either PG or VG right? if so where can I get PG/VG and the flavorings?

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12-03-2008, 07:08 PM	#2
No burn baby Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Buckinghamshire, England, UK Posts: 178	The current understanding is that VG is probably a safer option than PG so you may as well go for that if you are home brewing. You can get it from the chemist/drug store. Look for bottles of food grade Glycerin BP, or look on ebay. The flavourings can be obtained online and from cake and candy stores. You need to be careful to avoid colouring, oil and sugar though. Lor Ann flavourings are quite highly rated, perform a google search and ye shall find. In the DIY juice sub forum Kate, our resident expert, has many a handy suggestion and has posted a list of the OK Lor Ann flavours to use (i.e sugar/colour etc. free.) There is another US brand of flavourings too that i've heard referred to a lot, someone will let you know I'm sure. VG is super gloopy so you may want to dilute it a little with alcohol and/or distilled water. I've not gotten round to my experimentations yet as I'm still awaiting my flavourings but the recipe I have jotted down to try is as follows (I am personally aiming for the purest, simplest formula possible): 20% distilled water 10% vodka 10 - 20% Lor Ann flavouring (some are stronger than others) 60% glycerine

12-03-2008, 07:34 PM	#3
Tumbleweed4829 Senior Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 187	I guess it has always confused me why you want to mix flavorings with PG or VG. Why not use the flavorings straight? Most of the flavorings already have PG in them so why add any?

12-03-2008, 07:38 PM	#4
ainako Senior Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 224	thanks! and to reply to tumbleweed my understanding as to why you don't just use the flavorings by themselves is that they are super concentrated flavors and might not taste so good by itself. Also the amount of PG in the flavors might not be enough to produce a good amount of vapor.

12-03-2008, 07:40 PM	#5
youfillintheblank Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 891	I'm about to try my own black tea recipie. 2 teabags in a half ounce of water in the microwave should make a nice strong taste one would imagine. Mix 50/50 with glycrine, maybe a drop of vodka. Maybe a glass afterwards if it tastes like crap

12-03-2008, 08:21 PM	#6
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	Bickfords flavours can be vaped neat but the LorAnn candy flavours are very strong and taste better diluted. I'd be interested in hearing how your experiment goes Youfillintheblank, I like black tea and might give that a go myself.

12-03-2008, 08:49 PM	#8
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	Fair enough, thanks for the feedback.