nicotine amount

[Papa Lazarou]

Again, it still isn't going to be perfect - if you leave very long stubs it is probably less. Here in the UK 'Light' usually means 'less nicotine' - some of them are practically fresh air. My full strenth Marlboro 100's are rated at 0.8mg so I'd expect yours to probably be less than that, but I could be wrong.

I think in the US they get them stronger than here. I'm sure I read the other day their "full flavored" cigarettes have 15mg tar plus. In fact they seem to be getting weaker all the time in the UK. I'm sure when I used to smoke Marlboro Lights 100's (it's what my friends Dad had in his stash, when I was about 13!!) they had that around the 0.8mg level. The reds used to have well over a milligram of nic IIRC.

[Tetsab]

Papa, I think you're right. My Marlboro's used to have 1.1mg nicotine but I too think they've been cutting it down over the last few years. A bell rings quietly in my head about the EU having something to do with this, (not just Philip Morris trying to protect/increase their market with their tame addicts - us) may have been something about no cigarettes to have over 1.0ml, or possibly something about the tar levels and if you cut them down the nic drops as well.

If Paladinx is indeed in the States, I am very likely wrong. Not a unique occurrence! Still think they do have nic rates on their boxes, though? The principle still works, if he can find out the rate x his 30/day that gives the daily intake, but could be affected by (eg) leaving very long stubs.

[paladinx]

yes I am from the united states, and there is no label on nicotine content.

I appreciate all the tips and advice. I guess im testing the 901 product out. I cant say im completely satisfied with it. Im very much used to smoking cigarettes. And this one tastes very sweet, and it seems like u gotta puff your brains out with long ass drags to get smoke. The catridges also seem to die out real fast. dont really undstand w hy they make the catridges so tiny.

I dont know. Plus who knows how healthy this stuff really is. I mean tobacco usually takes years and years of abuse to kill you, this stuff might even kill u sooner, who the hell really knows.

I guess i have one last question. theres a lil hole on the atomizer. Do you guys cover that hole when u drag or leave it open?

Im gonna give this a couple more days, if id ont like it, ill sell it to anyone who is interested. I just received it yesterday. 2 batteries, two atonomizers. and i got like 8 sealed cartridges if anyone wants it and a bottle of juice. A charger chord and all that stuff as well.

regards

[Keef]

Woah there dont be so hasty.

I did not like the carts that came with the kit, far to sweet left a sugary residue round my lips, I took about 3-4 draws and ditched them.

They are also usually mixed strength from zero to High Nic, so while one will satisfy you the next might give you zilch.

On the Juice I ordered 2 with my first kit....
Hilton which I hated.
555 which I loved.
Neither were anything like cigarettes.
The best idea is to forget about Tobacco and look for a flavour you like.

What Juice did you get ?

Have you been topping up the cart regular with it ?.

If a cart is empty I put about 5 drops in and vape a bit when the vapour starts to die off
I top up the cart with about 2-3 drops of juice(depends on the drop size) get around 6- 7 good draws and then top up again.

The important thing is to keep the end of the cart moist as that is the part near the heater in the atomiser.

Even if you had a huge cart, if the end is not moist you won`t get vapour.

You take 2 short primer puffs first to heat the atomiser more like sucking a pipe than a cig and then a long slow steady draw to inhale.

I did not cover the hole on my 901 when I was using it, that would make it hard to draw on and also makes the atomiser vey hot.

[paladinx]

Thank you for the tip, I will try it out. I have no idea what juice this is, Or how strong it is. I believe i ordered medium strength but the girl told me its high strength. have no idea how many milligrams or what flavor. I got everything from the smokelessshop. the liquid says.
Kick, e- tobacco road liquid. but thats it.

I think i put on my order, either plain flavor or 555, and left the decision up to her.

I notice one of the ingredients in it is alcohol. I cant say im too pleased with that. Alcohol is not the best thing to inhale, and also alcohol is known to be a catalyst for cancer. That is why heavy drinking and smoking can cause throat cancer.

I probably sound like a whinny bitch lol. Im just a frustrated newbie that doesnt know what they are doing fully yet.

But this forum is pretty cool. U get responses very quick and everyone is willing to help you out. so I appreciate that and will listen to the advice given

[Tetsab]

Back again! First, an apology - for some non-existent reason I apparently convinced myself that Paladinx was a 'male' handle and it seems that yet again I was wrong. Ah well, has happened to me too and if it's the worst thing that happens this week, I ain't got too much to worry about, have I?

First up, the alcohol/cancer issue: confess I'd never heard of this so Googled it and it seems this is a fairly new but scientifically founded idea. And of course it is founded on DRINKING the stuff, not vaping! It does however seem that heavy or excessive drinking is the worst. Another thing I've learnt courtesy of the ECF - thanks. A small amount of alcohol has a very small risk factor, and in fact can protect to some extent against heart disease - also scientifically proven and rather better known. Even if you vaped 5ml a day (and that would be heck of a lot), it would be a TINY amount of liquid, a teaspoonful in fact - and only a proportion of that is alcohol. Myself, after the number of years I've been poisoning myself with tobacco, I rather feel that getting all concerned about a (pretty small) risk from alcohol would be hypocritical of me.

Next up: cartridge ingredients - assume the PG (propylene glycol) may be what you're most concerned about. Some of the research and references you can find more or less contradict each other, and rather than harm some indicate there can be beneficial side-effects as it has some anti-bacterial and anti-viral effects when inhaled - studies have been done which show this.

However, you're not alone and there's a fairly easy solution - in the US you have a juice supplier called Johnson Creek. Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice - The Best E-Liquid in the World - Made Right Here in America They manufacture their own juice, in the States. They are registered with the FDA. Not quite sure why, as I'd understood that e-juice falls into neither the FDA's area of remit as it is not a drug or a foodstuff, nor the ATF as it contains no tobacco. Hence the fussing of the bureacrats, no-one has decided who should take responsibility for it. Anyway, they are - probably just to reassure their customers that their production facilities and practices are up to the FDA's standards. Which you really can't necessarily be positive about with Chinese suppliers.

Even better, in response to these concerns amongst e-cig users, they also produce non-PG versions of all their various flavours. If you click on any product it immediately offers a choice of 'PG' or 'NPG'. The carrier in the NPG is probably glycerine which many here on the forum including myself use to dilute liquids ourselves. Does still contain some alcohol though, I think. Drop them an email to ask.

Back to what I thought was your main concern: the nicotine content. Seems as if you purchased from one of the most well-regarded US suppliers discussed here in the forum, The Smokeless Shop. I'm fairly sure the lady who runs it is Jane, and she has been highly praised for her helpfulness and service many times. If you contact her she will almost certainly be willing and happy to discuss your concerns, look up your order to see exactly what strength juice you have purchased (doesn't it say on your invoice or delivery note?) give you good advice, and may possibly know exactly how strong your Parliament Lights are in mg.

You may have noticed, lots of us here are pretty evangelical about this (odd, really, I can't stand religious types who do this!). You don't sound whiny, just someone who isn't quite sure yet if this is a good idea or not. Perfectly reasonable attitude for an intelligent person to take. Most of us here seem to think that as opposed to smoking tobacco, which is definitely known to be really, really bad for you, e-cigs are worthwhile giving a good go. Some have quit nicotine as well as tobacco using them but still vape because they enjoy it.

It is only the suppliers who aren't allowed to say e-cigs are NRT and can help you quit. There is plenty of evidence here in the forum to show that folk can and have used e-cigs to reduce or stop smoking if that is their choice. If you've only just got yours, do stick with it a bit until you've given it a fair chance. If you don't like the flavours you've got, try something else - there's masses of choice. JC do an ace taster pack, (in PG or NPG versions) for instance - we got one ourselves. Didn't like them all, but some we did.

What else - oh,yes - hard work puffing. We bought two 901's, one was an easy draw and the other I dubbed the 'keep-fit' e-cig. I had that one and let my partner have the easy one - he's only a guy (and I love him so!). After using it for a while either it got easier or I got used to it and stopped noticing. Still varies a bit, but I think they all do. Little electronic gizmos with their own individual personalities, that's e-cigs for you.

Coming to a close - Soot's advice is all good, in my admittedly limited experience; one month so far. Much shorter too! Use this forum, look round and you'll find so much useful advice and debate you wouldn't believe it. Final tip, which I found yesterday from a UK supplier who doesn't even sell juice but does use it himself (!), about refilling cartridges. Drop some in, let it sit for maybe 10 mins, then put a few more drops in and again let it stand before using it. Give the liquid more chance to settle into the cart.

Last bit from me: Ongoing, if you find yourself using up several carts in a day as I do, prepare some ahead of time then take them with you if you are going out or to work. It is just less hassle than fiddling about with liquid when you're out. I carry mine in a small ziploc bag (in case of leaks) in an old cigarette case. Spare battery probably too. I go through batts in just a few hours.

Wishing you all the very best and congratulations for having enough of a sense of adventure and open-mindedness to give this a try.
Love and peace

[Bertrand]

in the US you have a juice supplier called Johnson Creek. ... They are registered with the FDA. Not quite sure why, as I'd understood that e-juice falls into neither the FDA's area of remit as it is not a drug or a foodstuff, nor the ATF as it contains no tobacco. Hence the fussing of the bureacrats, no-one has decided who should take responsibility for it. Anyway, they are - probably just to reassure their customers that their production facilities and practices are up to the FDA's standards. Which you really can't necessarily be positive about with Chinese suppliers.

I was confused about this too. I checked out their registrar, and it appears you fill out a form, send something like USD200 through and they give you the certificate. It has something to do with terrorism, along the lines of registering yourself as a supplier of consumable goods so that "when they come we're ready". Very weird, paranoid, American thing. Here's the registrar: FDA Compliance Assistance & Registration for Food, Medical Devices & Cosmetics

It says it's in line with the "Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act". Hehehe. Don't think it has much to do with cleanliness or anything like that.

By the way, the NPG *is* glycerine - it's in their FAQ.

[Tetsab]

Thanks, Bertrand. Gosh, that is weird isn't it? Confess I was peering at my screen yesterday trying to make out what that bit of the certificate actually said!

Bioterrorism Preparedness... wonder what that means in the real world?

If the US suffers a biological attack they'll come and take over your facility to produce vaccines or whatever, probably. In which case, would you really want to register...? Suppose it looks good on the website though, as most innocents like me would think, well, what I thought!

Also thanks for confirming the glycerine thing.

Merry Yule!

[parapo]

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i cover the hole for a second with my finger sometimes while dragging.
this way i get more vapor.

[Keef]

I had a rake about for the cigarettes you smoke and the strength is 1mg Nicotine per cig so yes you are on 30mg a day.

You need to contact your seller and ask how many mg in the juice you bought.
Strange they dont have a table or some sort of conversion on their site for Low Med High.
If there is I could not find it.

Even stranger the juice does not have the strength in mg on the bottle.

The % of alcohol is usually very small and it is burned off before you inhale it.