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Stytches · 12-15-2008, 10:28 PM

Kosher USP Vegetable Glycerin

http://www.essentialwholesale.com/product_p/272.htm

mordorsss · 12-16-2008, 07:42 AM

what about cigar humidifiers?

They contain propylene glycerol, are tested by ISO for health and food concerns.

basically have the same ingredients as the cartridge in e-cigs?? has anyone tried this out or have suggestions on this issue?

i use a 901.

thanks

Kimmiegrif · 12-16-2008, 07:48 AM

The question still stands...it is one thing to have a fog machine, humidifier in a room with you...it is another to stand over it and inhale it...there are concoctions for fog machines that are not they safest and no one would ever put that fog juice intentionally in their ecig. Then there are fog juices that say no petroleum and safer. They don't have an atomizer like we do to worry about or lungs directly for sometimes (esp at the start) for long periods of times inhaling what is produced by them solely...does that make sense?

MagusSteele · 12-16-2008, 07:50 AM

Humidifier glycol may not be the same exactly, as what we actually smoke.

Just make sure when you get PG or VG its food grade or for internal use, and you should be fine. Not all bottles can be taken internally.
Pharma grade is at least pure, but im still not sure about for internal use.
That stuff is used in hundreds of daily used items in your house now, but most times for the out side, like Shampoo or Skin cream/loation/oil.

You can just cut with pure water, distilled is fine. Just dont over do the water, keep it like 15-20% max.

PeteMcArthur · 12-16-2008, 07:54 AM

The whole "vegetable" glycerine thing is a red herring. About the only people on the planet that call it vegetable are us vapers. It is GLYCERINE or GLYCERIN. Yes it comes from a vegetable source but it is an industrial chemical product. The stuff we use is liable to have come from a by product of bio-diesel. Just look for glycerine USP or BP. Some stuff may have For External Use on it, it's probably a legal cop out clause. The BP stuff I buy has dosage instructions on it.

The vegetable nonsense was probably coined by someone trying to pass it off as a natural product. It isn't!! I hate quoting from wikipedia but

Until recently, synthetic glycerol was mainly manufactured at an industrial scale from epichlorohydrin.[citation needed] Since glycerol forms the backbone of triglycerides, it is produced on saponification or transesterification. Soap-making and biodiesel production are respective examples.
Glycerol is a 10% by-product of biodiesel production (via the transesterification of vegetable oils or animal fats). This has led to an excess of crude glycerol in the market, making the epichlorohydrin process no longer economical. Current levels of glycerol production are running at about 350,000 tons per annum in the USA, and 600,000 tpa in Europe. This will increase as it implements EU directive 2003/30/EC which requires replacement of 5.75% of petroleum fuels with biofuel across all Member States by 2010[1].

MagusSteele · 12-16-2008, 07:59 AM

But there is a difference between Glycerin and Glycol, One is an oil and one a Veg oil byproduct.
Biodiesel is normally made from vegetable oil of some sort, peanut sometimes for those with alergys, also corn and otheres.

mordorsss · 12-16-2008, 08:44 AM

The following is from the patent application submitted by Ruyan Corp (inventors of E-Cig)

[0019] The recipes of nicotine solution used for the electronic spray cigarette in accordance with the present invention are as follows: 1. 6% nicotine, 85% propylene glycol, 2% glycerol, 2% essence, 1% organic acid and 1% anti-oxidation agent.

Notice how it says 85 percent Propylene Glycol (PG). I'm assuming that majority of the vapor that is produced is by atomizing the PG. It should be safe to just soak the nicotine cartridge with a little bit of PG to enhance vapor experience.

My cartridges run out real fast so it's really useful for me because i can just drip a few drops of PG into the cartridge and smoke it.

I'm not so sure about using only glycerine. since glycerine makes up about 5 percent of the fluid. Are you sure glycerine actually works?

I don't see why PG would be harmful. I also did further research and found that PG is actually used in a lot of food products.

Now cigar humidifiers have PG and distilled water. But make sure that other chemicals are totally absent from the humidifier before using it.

PeteMcArthur · 12-16-2008, 08:46 AM

I've been using glycerine for two months, it works.

PeteMcArthur · 12-16-2008, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagusSteele

But there is a difference between Glycerin and Glycol, One is an oil and one a Veg oil byproduct.
Biodiesel is normally made from vegetable oil of some sort, peanut sometimes for those with alergys, also corn and otheres.

I'm sorry but I have to quote wikipedia again.

Glycerol is a chemical compound also commonly called glycerin or glycerine. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is widely used in pharmaceutical formulations. Glycerol is sweet-tasting and of low toxicity. Glycerol has three hydrophilic hydroxyl groups that are responsible for its solubility in water and its hygroscopic nature. Its surface tension is 64.00 mN/m at 20 °C , and it has a temperature coefficient of -0.0598 mN/(m K). The glycerol substructure is a central component of many lipids.

mordorsss · 12-16-2008, 08:58 AM

thanks everyone for the reply.

I'm going to go with cigar humidifiers though because i feel they are safer.
When you smoke humidified cigars, you are smoking the humidifier liquid as well. It's time tested.

Not that glycerine would pose any significant concerns.

12-16-2008, 07:54 AM	#15
PeteMcArthur Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 764	The whole "vegetable" glycerine thing is a red herring. About the only people on the planet that call it vegetable are us vapers. It is GLYCERINE or GLYCERIN. Yes it comes from a vegetable source but it is an industrial chemical product. The stuff we use is liable to have come from a by product of bio-diesel. Just look for glycerine USP or BP. Some stuff may have For External Use on it, it's probably a legal cop out clause. The BP stuff I buy has dosage instructions on it. The vegetable nonsense was probably coined by someone trying to pass it off as a natural product. It isn't!! I hate quoting from wikipedia but Until recently, synthetic glycerol was mainly manufactured at an industrial scale from epichlorohydrin.[citation needed] Since glycerol forms the backbone of triglycerides, it is produced on saponification or transesterification. Soap-making and biodiesel production are respective examples. Glycerol is a 10% by-product of biodiesel production (via the transesterification of vegetable oils or animal fats). This has led to an excess of crude glycerol in the market, making the epichlorohydrin process no longer economical. Current levels of glycerol production are running at about 350,000 tons per annum in the USA, and 600,000 tpa in Europe. This will increase as it implements EU directive 2003/30/EC which requires replacement of 5.75% of petroleum fuels with biofuel across all Member States by 2010[1]. __________________

12-16-2008, 08:46 AM	#18
PeteMcArthur Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 764	I've been using glycerine for two months, it works. __________________

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12-15-2008, 10:28 PM	#11
Stytches Full Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 38	Kosher USP Vegetable Glycerin http://www.essentialwholesale.com/product_p/272.htm

12-16-2008, 07:42 AM	#12
mordorsss Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3	what about cigar humidifiers? They contain propylene glycerol, are tested by ISO for health and food concerns. basically have the same ingredients as the cartridge in e-cigs?? has anyone tried this out or have suggestions on this issue? i use a 901. thanks

12-16-2008, 07:48 AM	#13
Kimmiegrif Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Maryland/Florida USA Posts: 604	The question still stands...it is one thing to have a fog machine, humidifier in a room with you...it is another to stand over it and inhale it...there are concoctions for fog machines that are not they safest and no one would ever put that fog juice intentionally in their ecig. Then there are fog juices that say no petroleum and safer. They don't have an atomizer like we do to worry about or lungs directly for sometimes (esp at the start) for long periods of times inhaling what is produced by them solely...does that make sense?

12-16-2008, 07:50 AM	#14
MagusSteele Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NorthCoast, Cleveland, OH, USA, Terra, Sol System Posts: 536	Humidifier glycol may not be the same exactly, as what we actually smoke. Just make sure when you get PG or VG its food grade or for internal use, and you should be fine. Not all bottles can be taken internally. Pharma grade is at least pure, but im still not sure about for internal use. That stuff is used in hundreds of daily used items in your house now, but most times for the out side, like Shampoo or Skin cream/loation/oil. You can just cut with pure water, distilled is fine. Just dont over do the water, keep it like 15-20% max.

12-16-2008, 07:59 AM	#16
MagusSteele Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NorthCoast, Cleveland, OH, USA, Terra, Sol System Posts: 536	But there is a difference between Glycerin and Glycol, One is an oil and one a Veg oil byproduct. Biodiesel is normally made from vegetable oil of some sort, peanut sometimes for those with alergys, also corn and otheres.

12-16-2008, 08:44 AM	#17
mordorsss Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3	The following is from the patent application submitted by Ruyan Corp (inventors of E-Cig) [0019] The recipes of nicotine solution used for the electronic spray cigarette in accordance with the present invention are as follows: 1. 6% nicotine, 85% propylene glycol, 2% glycerol, 2% essence, 1% organic acid and 1% anti-oxidation agent. Notice how it says 85 percent Propylene Glycol (PG). I'm assuming that majority of the vapor that is produced is by atomizing the PG. It should be safe to just soak the nicotine cartridge with a little bit of PG to enhance vapor experience. My cartridges run out real fast so it's really useful for me because i can just drip a few drops of PG into the cartridge and smoke it. I'm not so sure about using only glycerine. since glycerine makes up about 5 percent of the fluid. Are you sure glycerine actually works? I don't see why PG would be harmful. I also did further research and found that PG is actually used in a lot of food products. Now cigar humidifiers have PG and distilled water. But make sure that other chemicals are totally absent from the humidifier before using it.

12-16-2008, 08:58 AM	#20
mordorsss Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3	thanks everyone for the reply. I'm going to go with cigar humidifiers though because i feel they are safer. When you smoke humidified cigars, you are smoking the humidifier liquid as well. It's time tested. Not that glycerine would pose any significant concerns.