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VirtualWaver · 10-22-2009, 09:13 PM

Dear all.

First, let me thank all of you and especially the administration of this site for such a useful and rare online resource! I believe this forum is the best in his field. Thank you all for your presence and personage! It is pleasure to join your community. I hope I will be useful for others as well in near future.

It is already 10 days since I stopped smoking and now I am looking for an e-cigarette. After spending a lot of time for researching, I find out that one of the best e-cigarettes are DSE901 and Joye510 and decided to buy one of them. But first I have some general questions about this deal and want you to help me find out. I know, that many questions can sound silly, but I am a beginner after all and the answers can be very useful for me )))

1) A lil bit stupid question, but very important for beginners like me: which one is better, which one to buy - DSE901 or Joye510?
2) Are there any DSE901 or Joye510 BLACK cigarettes with RED LED? Or they come only with blue led? Is it possible to change the color of the led in future?
3) How can I be sure that purchased e-cigarette is 100% genuine and authentic and not a fake one? Is there any visual signs, stamps, emblems etc? Because the packaging of cigarettes (for example, DSE901) are different in every website and it is hard to find, which one is genuine and which one is fake.
4) I would like to purchase from E-Cigarette Mart. Do you recommend this website? Is it honest and are the items there 100% genuine and authentic? I've tried to use Heaven Gifts (it is a way cheaper and I've read many positive comments about it) but sadly this website doesn't ship to my country (Armenia). If E-Cigarette Mart isn't good, can you recommend me another one which is cheaper, 100% reliable and sells 100% genuine e-cigarettes?
5) Is any E-juice compatible with any cartridge of any e-cigarette, e.g. can I refill any e-cigarette cartridge with any E-juice? Or there is concrete E-juice for concrete e-cigarette model?
6) What kind of flavor (e-juice) do you recommend me to purchase for the first time? There are a lot of flavors and it is hard to choose. Can you recommend me something?
7) There are 2 types of cartridges - round and flat. Is there any difference? And will I need special e-cigarette to fit one of them, or both can fit any e-cigarette?

Well it's all for now. I want to mention my first future package (from E-Cigarette Mart):

1 x DSE901 starter kit (Black, RED LED)
1 x Spare Atomizer (Black)
1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for DSE901
1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor

OR

1 x Joye510 starter kit (Black, RED LED)
1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for Joye510
1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor

Thank you in advance. I am waiting to become an e-smoker soon!

VirtualWaver · 10-22-2009, 09:21 PM

In addition to my questions:

8) Is there any GOOD QUALITY super mini size (real-cigarette-like) e-cigarette with RED LED? If yes, which one is good quality, compared with DSE901 and Joye510?

wdave · 10-23-2009, 02:57 PM

For my experience, look here:

Choosing the right ecig for you

HTH,
Dave

Fedor · 10-23-2009, 03:44 PM

I recommend the M401 with extra atomisers, USB Passthrough, Manual Batts, blank carts and liquid.

If you are adventurous enough, you might wanna try the M702 which is a PC model or the M602 which is a manual starter kit. Do remember to leave a review.

You can get them here from my fave supplier. The prices are good and they are more than 100% reliable. They have a good record with me for more than 10 months.

Electronic Cigarette | Electronic Cigarettes | E-Cigarettes | E-Cigs from Smoore -

props76 · 10-23-2009, 04:08 PM

1) The 510 seems to be more popular these days. 510 has a higher wattage atty, so the vaper is warmer and its easier to make more of. However some people say that higher temp gives burnt flavor and burns the cart filler sometimes

2) Dunno, I don't care so haven't looked. Shop around

3) They are 100% genuine because the only people that make ripoffs are from china. In this case its hard to ripoff your own invention

Also for the low price they are sold for, there is no margin to make a cheap ripoff.

4) I have no idea who would be best to ship to your country

5) The two models you listed take "regular" e-juice. Since you want 0 nic, its will be 99% PG or VG and a bit of flavor. The only thing is, you may not want to refill a cart with a different flavor, as the combination of flavors might be nasty.

6) As above, since you want 0 nic its really simple. Anyone should have a decent product, it all comes down to what tastes good for you. Buy many different 10ml (small) bottles till you find what you like.

7) I beleive the 510 cart is round and the 910 cart is flat. Find a supplier and see what they offer.

For your orders... Order 5 extra attys, 2 extra batts, 1 passthrough, and more e-juice (as above, small bottles different flavors). You could also order a few more black carts as its only like a buck for 10...

NightShadow · 10-23-2009, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VirtualWaver

Dear all.

1) A lil bit stupid question, but very important for beginners like me: which one is better, which one to buy - DSE901 or Joye510?

Which is better for you only you could really say, which others prefer..there is a poll here of what people use that might answer that:
e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat - View Poll Results

2) Are there any DSE901 or Joye510 BLACK cigarettes with RED LED? Or they come only with blue led? Is it possible to change the color of the led in future?

Different selelrs offer different color combinations, shop around. Changing the led itself later, short answer is no, long answer is maybee if you are an electronic surgeon

3) How can I be sure that purchased e-cigarette is 100% genuine and authentic and not a fake one? Is there any visual signs, stamps, emblems etc? Because the packaging of cigarettes (for example, DSE901) are different in every website and it is hard to find, which one is genuine and which one is fake.

Just buy from a reputabe vendor, look inside and read comments from customers to see how they like the supplier to see.

4) I would like to purchase from E-Cigarette Mart. Do you recommend this website? Is it honest and are the items there 100% genuine and authentic? I've tried to use Heaven Gifts (it is a way cheaper and I've read many positive comments about it) but sadly this website doesn't ship to my country (Armenia). If E-Cigarette Mart isn't good, can you recommend me another one which is cheaper, 100% reliable and sells 100% genuine e-cigarettes?

Sorry I don't know about E-Cigarette Mart one way or another, they appear to be in china from the shipping page information on thier site. You could ask if anyone from Armenia here has bought and from whom, or who ships to there.

5) Is any E-juice compatible with any cartridge of any e-cigarette, e.g. can I refill any e-cigarette cartridge with any E-juice? Or there is concrete E-juice for concrete e-cigarette model?

E-juice is a liquid, you can use it with any device, be it a cartridge or cartomizer. The only difference would be how easy it is to refill the cartridge.

6) What kind of flavor (e-juice) do you recommend me to purchase for the first time? There are a lot of flavors and it is hard to choose. Can you recommend me something?

I would suggest you try one flavor that sounds like the type of cigarette you currently smoke. I also suggest you try a different flavor that is not a tobacco flavor, so you can see the difference. Just pick something that is a flavor you like in a food/candy and try it. Also try a few different strengths of nicotine so you can find the strength that suits you best.

7) There are 2 types of cartridges - round and flat. Is there any difference? And will I need special e-cigarette to fit one of them, or both can fit any e-cigarette?

As e-cigs come in many brands/sizes etc, so do the cartridges that go onto them. The basic round or flat shape is just the style of the tip that fits in your mouth. Any site where you are looking at the device should say what type of cartiriges that device takes, and you should be able to order extra's for the type you buy. looking at your "picks" below you did select the right cartidges for the 901 allready.

The "empty" cartidges really are empty, no stuffing to hold the juice. Stuffing is fluval or another type of filler that soaks up the e-juice similar to what is inside a Zippo lighter and holds the fluid. So unless you have a plan for the stuffing like the PTB mod, you might be bestter off to buy some prefilled cartridges instead of the empty ones and refill those once you use them as they come with stuffing.

Well it's all for now. I want to mention my first future package (from E-Cigarette Mart):

1 x DSE901 starter kit (Black, RED LED)
1 x Spare Atomizer (Black)
1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for DSE901
1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor

OR

1 x Joye510 starter kit (Black, RED LED)
1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for Joye510
1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor

Both the 901 and 510 cartidges will fit on either device, so if you like the tip style of one (flat or round) pick that style.

Thank you in advance. I am waiting to become an e-smoker soon!

I hope this helps, sorry I dont know who ships to Armenia.

And good luck!

Snarkyone · 10-23-2009, 04:23 PM

The 510 is popular I feel for all the wrong reasons. Since you have already stopped smoking cigarettes I would say to go with something like the m401 or the new version The Revolver which is a m702. It's a mini, it comes with a charger, it's white.

The 510 is a harsh vapor producer, that doesn't have the taste that the m401 series does. In my opinion the 510 battery sucks, the taste is harsh, and the carts are a major pain in the butt. The m401 battery is great, the taste is good, and the carts are a major pain in the butt.

I would tell you to check out the KR808D-1 or Greencig. They are cartomizers with the atomizer built in the carts. They can be refilled just as the others can but the KR808D-1 carts are a piece of cake to refill and no mess, and no juice in the mouth either.

If your set on choosing between a 510 and DSE901 I would go with the 510.

Kent C · 10-24-2009, 03:02 AM

1) A lil bit stupid question, but very important for beginners like me: which one is better, which one to buy - DSE901 or Joye510?

Joye510

read this:
Buying and Using an Electronic Cigarette: A Primer

2) Are there any DSE901 or Joye510 BLACK cigarettes with RED LED?

Yes

Or they come only with blue led? Is it possible to change the color of the led in future?

Yes. Just get another battery. You'll need backups anyway. Not so easy to change out the led but it's possible.

3) How can I be sure that purchased e-cigarette is 100% genuine and authentic and not a fake one? Is there any visual signs, stamps, emblems etc? Because the packaging of cigarettes (for example, DSE901) are different in every website and it is hard to find, which one is genuine and which one is fake.

Use the suppliers at our suppliers forum - bottom of the main page.

Or just buy a 510 kit from cignot.com for $35. It's a joye technology kit.

4) I would like to purchase from E-Cigarette Mart. Do you recommend this website? Is it honest and are the items there 100% genuine and authentic? I've tried to use Heaven Gifts (it is a way cheaper and I've read many positive comments about it) but sadly this website doesn't ship to my country (Armenia). If E-Cigarette Mart isn't good, can you recommend me another one which is cheaper, 100% reliable and sells 100% genuine e-cigarettes?

No experience with E-Cig. mart. But you might have better service from Totally Wicked in England:

Decadent Vapours 10ml Flavour Concentrates

5) Is any E-juice compatible with any cartridge of any e-cigarette, e.g. can I refill any e-cigarette cartridge with any E-juice? Or there is concrete E-juice for concrete e-cigarette model?

All ejuice can be used in all ecigs.

6) What kind of flavor (e-juice) do you recommend me to purchase for the first time? There are a lot of flavors and it is hard to choose. Can you recommend me something?

Taste is so subjective. Just go with flavors you like, then go from there.

7) There are 2 types of cartridges - round and flat. Is there any difference? And will I need special e-cigarette to fit one of them, or both can fit any e-cigarette?

If you go with the 510 you can use 510 or 901 cartridges and I highly recommend getting the 'flat tips'. I think they create a better seal and you get a better draw and better flavor, more vapor, etc.

Well it's all for now. I want to mention my first future package (from E-Cigarette Mart):

1 x DSE901 starter kit (Black, RED LED)
1 x Spare Atomizer (Black)
1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for DSE901
1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor

OR

1 x Joye510 starter kit (Black, RED LED)
1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for Joye510
1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor

This points out another difference in some 901 and 510 kits - the reason you get a 'spare' atomizer with the 901 is because 901 kits only have one atomizer - and usually right around the same price as a 'full 510 kit'.

VirtualWaver · 10-25-2009, 12:27 AM

Hello again!

Thank you for your fast and clear answers. Well, the only store that ships to Armenia with reasonable price is E-Cigarette Mart... Sadly, the rest of shops either don't ship to Armenia or the shipping cost is very high: for example, on Best E-Cig it is around 38$ which is horrible. On E-Cigarette Mart it is only around 8$... a huge difference.
That is why I bought the cigarette from Mart, it was my only choice. Yesterday this forum wasn't available due to server problems. The day before yesterday there were no answers in this topic. That is why I decided to purchase DSE901... But now I am reading the answers and I am more and more realizing that Joye is better for me... Is DSE901 that bad?? I've heard many good things about it.
Anyway, as I said, I purchased the cigarette from Mart. I am not sure about its reliability and authenticity of cigarettes, but it was my only choice. Well, I will write a review about it as soon as I receive my item )))
Totally, I bought DSE901 with spare atomizer, 30ml of e-juice and 10pcs cartridges for DSE. The total amount was approx. 58$ including shipping. Maybe a lil bit high price, but it is ok. I am only care about their fast shipping and genuine cigarette. We'll see...

RSV445 · 10-25-2009, 02:52 AM

I am a new member as well. The fourm has been a wealth of information to me in all aspects of vaping. I started with Smoking Everywhere 4081 and have had nothing but problems with the product and the customer service.

I have done alot of research on which model to buy and I am happy to say that I am now a proud owner of a new SideSho from Modern Vapor. I will be giving a full review soon. In the meantime I would highly recommend you research their product as it is quality, and the customer support is second to none!

Welcome, and good luck! Modern Vapor is a quality product, I suggest you take a look!

10-22-2009, 09:13 PM	#1
VirtualWaver Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 16	A few questions about first purchase Dear all. First, let me thank all of you and especially the administration of this site for such a useful and rare online resource! I believe this forum is the best in his field. Thank you all for your presence and personage! It is pleasure to join your community. I hope I will be useful for others as well in near future. It is already 10 days since I stopped smoking and now I am looking for an e-cigarette. After spending a lot of time for researching, I find out that one of the best e-cigarettes are DSE901 and Joye510 and decided to buy one of them. But first I have some general questions about this deal and want you to help me find out. I know, that many questions can sound silly, but I am a beginner after all and the answers can be very useful for me ))) 1) A lil bit stupid question, but very important for beginners like me: which one is better, which one to buy - DSE901 or Joye510? 2) Are there any DSE901 or Joye510 BLACK cigarettes with RED LED? Or they come only with blue led? Is it possible to change the color of the led in future? 3) How can I be sure that purchased e-cigarette is 100% genuine and authentic and not a fake one? Is there any visual signs, stamps, emblems etc? Because the packaging of cigarettes (for example, DSE901) are different in every website and it is hard to find, which one is genuine and which one is fake. 4) I would like to purchase from E-Cigarette Mart. Do you recommend this website? Is it honest and are the items there 100% genuine and authentic? I've tried to use Heaven Gifts (it is a way cheaper and I've read many positive comments about it) but sadly this website doesn't ship to my country (Armenia). If E-Cigarette Mart isn't good, can you recommend me another one which is cheaper, 100% reliable and sells 100% genuine e-cigarettes? 5) Is any E-juice compatible with any cartridge of any e-cigarette, e.g. can I refill any e-cigarette cartridge with any E-juice? Or there is concrete E-juice for concrete e-cigarette model? 6) What kind of flavor (e-juice) do you recommend me to purchase for the first time? There are a lot of flavors and it is hard to choose. Can you recommend me something? 7) There are 2 types of cartridges - round and flat. Is there any difference? And will I need special e-cigarette to fit one of them, or both can fit any e-cigarette? Well it's all for now. I want to mention my first future package (from E-Cigarette Mart): 1 x DSE901 starter kit (Black, RED LED) 1 x Spare Atomizer (Black) 1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for DSE901 1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor OR 1 x Joye510 starter kit (Black, RED LED) 1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for Joye510 1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor Thank you in advance. I am waiting to become an e-smoker soon!

10-23-2009, 02:57 PM	#3
wdave Super Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 594	For my experience, look here: Choosing the right ecig for you HTH, Dave __________________ Owned: JOYE 510, Npro, RN4081, DSE801, DSE901, RN4075, M401.

10-23-2009, 04:23 PM	#7
Snarkyone Super Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Your mom said not to say... Posts: 763 Tweet this post!	The 510 is popular I feel for all the wrong reasons. Since you have already stopped smoking cigarettes I would say to go with something like the m401 or the new version The Revolver which is a m702. It's a mini, it comes with a charger, it's white. The 510 is a harsh vapor producer, that doesn't have the taste that the m401 series does. In my opinion the 510 battery sucks, the taste is harsh, and the carts are a major pain in the butt. The m401 battery is great, the taste is good, and the carts are a major pain in the butt. I would tell you to check out the KR808D-1 or Greencig. They are cartomizers with the atomizer built in the carts. They can be refilled just as the others can but the KR808D-1 carts are a piece of cake to refill and no mess, and no juice in the mouth either. If your set on choosing between a 510 and DSE901 I would go with the 510. __________________ Retired: Dragon, 510, Magnum Mod, KR808D-1. In Use: GreenCig.

10-24-2009, 03:02 AM	#8
Kent C Supporting Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NW Ohio US Posts: 2,637	1) A lil bit stupid question, but very important for beginners like me: which one is better, which one to buy - DSE901 or Joye510? Joye510 read this: Buying and Using an Electronic Cigarette: A Primer 2) Are there any DSE901 or Joye510 BLACK cigarettes with RED LED? Yes Or they come only with blue led? Is it possible to change the color of the led in future? Yes. Just get another battery. You'll need backups anyway. Not so easy to change out the led but it's possible. 3) How can I be sure that purchased e-cigarette is 100% genuine and authentic and not a fake one? Is there any visual signs, stamps, emblems etc? Because the packaging of cigarettes (for example, DSE901) are different in every website and it is hard to find, which one is genuine and which one is fake. Use the suppliers at our suppliers forum - bottom of the main page. Or just buy a 510 kit from cignot.com for $35. It's a joye technology kit. 4) I would like to purchase from E-Cigarette Mart. Do you recommend this website? Is it honest and are the items there 100% genuine and authentic? I've tried to use Heaven Gifts (it is a way cheaper and I've read many positive comments about it) but sadly this website doesn't ship to my country (Armenia). If E-Cigarette Mart isn't good, can you recommend me another one which is cheaper, 100% reliable and sells 100% genuine e-cigarettes? No experience with E-Cig. mart. But you might have better service from Totally Wicked in England: Decadent Vapours 10ml Flavour Concentrates 5) Is any E-juice compatible with any cartridge of any e-cigarette, e.g. can I refill any e-cigarette cartridge with any E-juice? Or there is concrete E-juice for concrete e-cigarette model? All ejuice can be used in all ecigs. 6) What kind of flavor (e-juice) do you recommend me to purchase for the first time? There are a lot of flavors and it is hard to choose. Can you recommend me something? Taste is so subjective. Just go with flavors you like, then go from there. 7) There are 2 types of cartridges - round and flat. Is there any difference? And will I need special e-cigarette to fit one of them, or both can fit any e-cigarette? If you go with the 510 you can use 510 or 901 cartridges and I highly recommend getting the 'flat tips'. I think they create a better seal and you get a better draw and better flavor, more vapor, etc. Well it's all for now. I want to mention my first future package (from E-Cigarette Mart): 1 x DSE901 starter kit (Black, RED LED) 1 x Spare Atomizer (Black) 1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for DSE901 1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor OR 1 x Joye510 starter kit (Black, RED LED) 1 x 10pcs black empty cartridges for Joye510 1 x 30ml E-liquid for all types of E-cigarette, No Nicotine (0mg), Menthol flavor This points out another difference in some 901 and 510 kits - the reason you get a 'spare' atomizer with the 901 is because 901 kits only have one atomizer - and usually right around the same price as a 'full 510 kit'. __________________

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10-22-2009, 09:21 PM	#2
VirtualWaver Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 16	In addition to my questions: 8) Is there any GOOD QUALITY super mini size (real-cigarette-like) e-cigarette with RED LED? If yes, which one is good quality, compared with DSE901 and Joye510?

10-23-2009, 03:44 PM	#4
Fedor ECF Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 937	I recommend the M401 with extra atomisers, USB Passthrough, Manual Batts, blank carts and liquid. If you are adventurous enough, you might wanna try the M702 which is a PC model or the M602 which is a manual starter kit. Do remember to leave a review. You can get them here from my fave supplier. The prices are good and they are more than 100% reliable. They have a good record with me for more than 10 months. Electronic Cigarette \| Electronic Cigarettes \| E-Cigarettes \| E-Cigs from Smoore -

10-23-2009, 04:08 PM	#5
props76 Moved On Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 257	1) The 510 seems to be more popular these days. 510 has a higher wattage atty, so the vaper is warmer and its easier to make more of. However some people say that higher temp gives burnt flavor and burns the cart filler sometimes 2) Dunno, I don't care so haven't looked. Shop around 3) They are 100% genuine because the only people that make ripoffs are from china. In this case its hard to ripoff your own invention Also for the low price they are sold for, there is no margin to make a cheap ripoff. 4) I have no idea who would be best to ship to your country 5) The two models you listed take "regular" e-juice. Since you want 0 nic, its will be 99% PG or VG and a bit of flavor. The only thing is, you may not want to refill a cart with a different flavor, as the combination of flavors might be nasty. 6) As above, since you want 0 nic its really simple. Anyone should have a decent product, it all comes down to what tastes good for you. Buy many different 10ml (small) bottles till you find what you like. 7) I beleive the 510 cart is round and the 910 cart is flat. Find a supplier and see what they offer. For your orders... Order 5 extra attys, 2 extra batts, 1 passthrough, and more e-juice (as above, small bottles different flavors). You could also order a few more black carts as its only like a buck for 10...

10-25-2009, 12:27 AM	#9
VirtualWaver Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 16	Hello again! Thank you for your fast and clear answers. Well, the only store that ships to Armenia with reasonable price is E-Cigarette Mart... Sadly, the rest of shops either don't ship to Armenia or the shipping cost is very high: for example, on Best E-Cig it is around 38$ which is horrible. On E-Cigarette Mart it is only around 8$... a huge difference. That is why I bought the cigarette from Mart, it was my only choice. Yesterday this forum wasn't available due to server problems. The day before yesterday there were no answers in this topic. That is why I decided to purchase DSE901... But now I am reading the answers and I am more and more realizing that Joye is better for me... Is DSE901 that bad?? I've heard many good things about it. Anyway, as I said, I purchased the cigarette from Mart. I am not sure about its reliability and authenticity of cigarettes, but it was my only choice. Well, I will write a review about it as soon as I receive my item ))) Totally, I bought DSE901 with spare atomizer, 30ml of e-juice and 10pcs cartridges for DSE. The total amount was approx. 58$ including shipping. Maybe a lil bit high price, but it is ok. I am only care about their fast shipping and genuine cigarette. We'll see...

10-25-2009, 02:52 AM	#10
RSV445 Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 17	I am a new member as well. The fourm has been a wealth of information to me in all aspects of vaping. I started with Smoking Everywhere 4081 and have had nothing but problems with the product and the customer service. I have done alot of research on which model to buy and I am happy to say that I am now a proud owner of a new SideSho from Modern Vapor. I will be giving a full review soon. In the meantime I would highly recommend you research their product as it is quality, and the customer support is second to none! Welcome, and good luck! Modern Vapor is a quality product, I suggest you take a look!