Problems quitting that first smoke when i get up!!

[GabbyD]

Given that info, then low might as well be "no" nic just about. You might get as much from a low as you would from sitting next to a smoker.

Well, smoking is about much more than just the nicotine, as we all know, and that's why we aren't all using something like the patches. But this reality on the nic level thing may explain why I'm cranky as hell.

[New Year quitter]

Me and UKUsa quit analogs about same time and I want to quit full stop but can`t see it happening yet Have had really bad chest and cold (quitting or e-smoking?) so tried other day with out e-cig and by dinner time the old craving for analogs reared it`s ugly head again! So back on e-cig with avengence haha! Got medium nicotene cartridges now after week or so of high so think it more act of smoking than the nicotene with me? something to do when on computer or bored at work worse vaping sessions! Down to low then 0 nicotene over next month or so then who knows

I'm the same. I never understood what the big deal is about nicotine addiction, it's the smoke in my throat that I cannot live without. I once tried nicotine patches and wore them for three days, more than enough time for them to work but they didn't make any difference.
It ain't nicotine I'm addicted to, it's smoking, if that makes any sense.

[Myk]

I'm the same. I never understood what the big deal is about nicotine addiction, it's the smoke in my throat that I cannot live without. I once tried nicotine patches and wore them for three days, more than enough time for them to work but they didn't make any difference.
It ain't nicotine I'm addicted to, it's smoking, if that makes any sense.

I had problem keeping the patches lit too.

[Kate]

Only force of will can work. Why? No vapor has the hit of a cigarette inhalation.

In Dr. Murray Laugesen's reply to Trumpy on the Australian ban, the researcher now says it takes nine e-puffs to equal one inhalation from a tobacco cigarette. Early on, it was said that we got half the nicotine. Then it became one-fifth the nicotine. Now, it's one-ninth. That seems most accurate to me.

I do know that I do not get the satisfaction from vaping that smoking provided. I have never "felt" a nicotine hit from an e-inhalation. I think for heavy former smokers, the nicotine hit is from the wrong place (the mouth because the vapor is alkaline) and too weak.

By Dr. Laugesen's newest measure, we would need about 100mg liquid to get the same effect as a cigarette with each puff. Now, that would be "high" nic. Course, a few drops on the skin would kill us, but ....

It would explain why many are dissatisfied with their experience.

I have a lot of respect for Dr Laugesen TBob and am grateful that he has investigated vaping so well but I'm sorry, I can't see how he has the nicotine absorption measurements correct. It just doesn't add up to our real life experiences, hardened smokers here report overdose symptoms. That is something you just do not hear from tobacco users. You have a particularly high tolerance and dose yourself with various other methods so may not be best placed to compare.

The doctor also reckons a (1ml) cartridge lasts from a day to four, that simply is not how it works, the average here is 2ml per day. Lab tests are no match for human testing, he needs to measure nicotine in blood plasma to compare.

Given the higher pH, higher mg doses and longer vaping sessions, I think many of us are getting much more nicotine than with smoking.

Some of us do not know the difference between high and low levels of blood nicotine so we hear all sorts of theories and guesses about nicotine that are not necessarily true.

The fact that vaping does not give the same satisfaction as smoking is not to do with nicotine in my opinion, it's do do with not getting the other burned chemicals we are used to with tobacco.

[Grumpysanta]

Kate, I think you hit it on the head there, it's the coctail of chemicals, not just the nicotine that we often miss. I have never had a nicotine rush from vaping but it satisfies the need to puff on something. The reason I'm not rushing back to tobacco is the smell and now I have everything sorted in terms of hardware it's cheaper than tobacco.

[Catman51]

Very well put Kate. I get that morning thing too.

[Kate]

Thanks.

I hope TBob doesn't think I'm starting an argument with him, he's very knowledgeable and a great asset to our community.

Happy new year TBob, sorry to challenge what you said. You know how it is with having to present personal opinions on the internet

[UkUsa]

Mufftrix .... sorry to hear you haven't been feeling so good.

I can't say i've had any real bad ill effects so far, maybe i've just been lucky.

Sometimes i feel that i could really pound away at the ecig all day but have learnt to self regulate. I try and limit myself to puff on the ecig only when i would normally have an analog. That doesn't always happen though .

As for the morning, i let the dogs out. Sit at the computer with my coffee and ecig, a freshly topped cart and charged battery and puff away for probably close to 30 minutes. That seems to do it for now .