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    Default New here, COPD diagnosed, how to Vape?

    Hello. I'm a lurker now become a member.
    Here's the deal: I was a long-time asthma sufferer, and a long-time smoker. In June I was diagnosed with COPD, at which time I stopped using tobacco. I wore the Patch for weeks, and it helped. I have been experimenting with E-cigs, but with some trepidation. i.e., I don't inhale, hoping that holding the vapor in my mouth for a few seconds will get me my nicotine "hit". I am, basically, afraid to inhale. Should I be? I mean, they say it's only water vapor with liquid Nicotine, but, as my cartridges come from China (V2 Cigs), I'm a little worried. If anyone has the patience to counsel a newbie, please do. It would be very welcome.

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    First off, I'd like to contest your name. If you were an idiot you would not be here asking such important questions.

    Now on to the good stuff. Vapor liquid is made up of basically 4 ingredients. Propolyne glycol, vegetable glycerin/glycol, food flavoring and nicotine. A few may have been thinned with distilled water or alcohol but they are in the minority. Not all liquids are the same. You can get 0 nicotine up to about 36-48 or so in 'normal' e-liquid and different mixes ranging from all PG, mix PG/VG to all VG.

    When vaping the nicotine is delivered via water vapor, so the delivery of nicotine is smaller particles and is absorbed by the tissues in the mouth and/or nose. I do not have COPD and cannot comment on whether or not you should be inhaling, but PG is used in asthma inhalers as the delivery system for the medication.

    I do know there are some here that suffer from COPD and hopefully they will chime in as well.

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    its actually glycerine with only a tad bit of water and food grade flavoring(s) such as you can buy at a grocery or specialty store.
    They use all of one of these or a combination (usually combo) propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin - PG is used in fog machines and hospital air cleaning systems, while VG is used in countless foods you eat everyday and you can simple drink it if you were so inclined with no hard.
    i would ask your Dr. unless someone here can chime in and tell you they have not had any issues.

    I fear inhaling a burnt/vaporized food flavoring more than i do the nic. or PG/VG. funny given the nic. is by far the worst, from what we know medically today.

    also what you exhale is far from a vapor like you would see come from a cold or hot water humidifier or other vapor producing device.
    it will linger in your house for 10's of minutes. though it is not as visible as cigarette smoke. with the sun shining in the windows you can clearly see smoke hovering in the air.
    (that statement above is not FACT it is only my experience)

    i have yet to have a Dr. tell me e-cigs were bad, they say that the only bad thing they are aware of is the nic.

    but to be honest inhaling anything into our lungs aside from what mother nature provided us isnt good. but this is sure a heck of alot better than cig's.

    here is a snippet, albeit i have not confirmed it's validity, from an article about ecig's
    i think the pneumonia incident is limited, or the woman may have been prone to such things or allergic to the PG and/or VG.
    which is the other spect, some people are alergic to PG, but i have not read about reactions such as pneumonia.

    But now doctors have raised concerns about e-cigarette vapor separate from those about nicotine. A 42-year-old woman who had used e-cigarettes for seven months experienced shortness of breath, cough, and fever over the same period. The diagnosis was lipoid pneumonia—a chronic inflammation caused by fatty substances (lipids) in the lungs—due to e-cigarette use. The specific cause was repeated exposure to glycerin-based oils found in e-cigarette nicotine vapor. The patient’s symptoms improved after she stopped using e-cigarettes.1

    A recent study also found that using an e-cigarette for five minutes began to restrict lung function. It was not clear which e-cigarette ingredient or combination of substances caused these reactions. However, other studies have shown that propylene glycol, the source of the e-cigarettes’ visible vapor, can bring on respiratory irritation and increase the chance of developing asthma.2
    to be very frank with you, if you have COPD then i would suggest simply finding another addiction that doesnt involve your lungs.
    your life is in your hands.... not a Dr's so you have the choice.
    you can try it and find out, or simply decide not to risk it.
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    If your concern is about things from China then I suggest switching to a tank that you can fill with your own liquids

    Like one of these https://www.vapor4life.com/3-5ml-dua...8d-style-12437

    And Liquids from a company that makes there own here in the states like Vaporrenu or vapes gone wild.
    There are many other US companies as well.

    I believe that should alleviate concerns about CHINA chemicals. Plenty here have COPD so I am sure someone will answer that part of your question.
    I have chronic bronchitis and I inhale with no problems.


    ETA~ I did notice a huge difference in breathing freer once I started vaping.. Also if your doing this to stay away from Analogs then it is certainly better then going back to real cigs.
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    Thank you both. As a long-time smoker, the "hit" from inhaling is what separates Nicotine Replacement Therapy from the real thing. I'm just so paranoid that, after the damage I've inflicted on my lungs, whether even a rather "benign" hit is not harmful. I.e., do you (any of you) feel that the "water vapor laced with liquid nicotine" model is accurate? I'm not afraid of nicotine, but additives, just like. Well, you know.

    Thanks.
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    Hey there Idiot, I am with you. I was hospitalized 3 years ago with severe bronchitis. After 8 days in hospital and 3 weeks convalesence, I convinced my doctor to release me for work. Worked one week and was back in hospital with pneumonia. Diagnosed with COPD, I was never able to return to work. After all this, my concession was to switch from cigaretts to cigars! This past January, my daughter gave me a Victory E-cig starter kit. I have not smoked tobacco since. I had stopped and reverted to cigaretts at least 5 times in the past This past week I had my final chest CAT scan and lung function test. After nine months of smoking e-cigs, my COPD is now catagorized as moderate. My family doctor is non committal as to e-cig use as there are no long term studies. He does conceed that had I not made the switch, I would not be typing this post. My pulminologist will not even discuss the subject. In the end, you will have to make your own decision. As I am 68 years old and have a fine collection of heart stents, my risk horizon is not far off. If the choice truely is no smoking, or e-cigs, no smoking is obviously the lower risk. If the choice is e-cigs of cigaretts, my experience would indicate the former.
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    Yes I believe that water vapor laced with nicotine is an accurate model.
    I would not worry about other additives if you use a reputable US company that makes their liquids here.

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    We were discussing this (COPD) in another forum the other day. My sister in law also has COPD (along with other health issues) and until yesterday was a smoker. A RN posted that she went with a friend to the doctor to discuss this very issue (switching to e-cigs). The doctor was happy about the switch and suggested a higher ratio of PG in the flavoring instead of VG. As said PG is in inhalers but with too much VG it is possible to create fluid in the lungs. I don't think inhaling is a problem but it's always best to check with your doctor.
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    I am kind of astonished at the response. What a wonderful, supportive community this must be.
    Here is the skinny: I am 63, have smoked cigarettes for 40 years, quit once majorly for 2+ plus years, had a personal tragedy and decided I didn't care anymore and went back to smoking. Had asthma all this time. Lung function obviously deteriorating over last year, was diagnosed with COPD in June, stopping using tobacco. But miss it. Nic Patch helped, have "graduated" as it were. Don't wake up craving a smoke, but as the day wears on, need something. Therefore, Ecigs. But, at this point, am afraid to inhale. I take Spiriva for COPD, Quvar amd Albuterol for asthma. I know none of you are physicians, but, in your experience, is inhaling an Ecig likely to .... me up? Sorry to sound crude, but I seek advice from my own kind.

    Thank you.
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    I went with V2 because they were recommended to me. Easy system, replace cartirdges, etc. However, and not to sound Racist, but the cartridges are made in China, and I don't trust them. Any similar system which anyone would care to recommend? I just went outside (and I know you don't have to, because there is no smoke and no smell, but I'm trying to preserve the experience as I've come to know it) and inhaled, and it was heavenly.

    Sorry, know it's pathetic. But I'm trying to find a way.

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