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    Lipo charging bags are a good idea; they are a bit of an inconvenience, but worth the extra hassle. A bit off topic; but still relevant...I own a micro helicopter and purchased extra high end batteries for said copter. One day while charging all the batteries I noticed that a few has swollen, I decided best to set aside and replace them. On the trip to get replacements I noticed that my pocket I had put the batteries in was terribly warm. When I arrived at the store I showed the batteries to the owner and said me thinks these are in a bad way, you may want to put these in the metal container. He grabbed them noting how hot they were and gently tossed them into the safety container they use to dispose of batteries (just emptied that morning thank goodness) and when he tossed them into the container they caught on fire.

    Now I ALWAYS charge lipo batteries in a safety bag, be it the helicopter or the e-cig batteries, I do however use the laptop in the standard way. I have heard that these bags are not the best of the best for safety, but they beat nothing. Should a blow out happen at least it is mostly contained in the bag and less likely to burn through the counter or floor. I have thought of making a safety container of my own using a fire proof safe and some fire proofing compound where the cord would enter just haven't found time.
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    I have to look into getting one of those bags. Out of curiosity how many of you leave your batteries in the chargers all day? Is this a big no no even with the smart chargers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tj99959 View Post
    Here's the difference:

    A few years ago some Colgate electric toothbrushes blew up .......... result ......... Colgate toothbrushes manufactured between xxxx and xxxx were recalled.

    This year a couple of ego clones blew up ........... result ........... nothing, except e-cigs get a black eye. The CPSC chooses to ignore any safety related issues with e-cigs because of FDA involvement.

    The irony of it all is that the regulations needed to insure that we have safe products have existed for a long-long time, all they need is to be enforced! ........... by the proper agency!!!!!
    Exactly.
    Don't want people selling liquid they mixed in their bathroom? FDA already has that power. They won't use it because they want to take it further (the only time they've used it was in an attempt to push it further).
    Want accurate nicotine content claims? Again the FDA already has that power and always has tobacco product or not.
    Purity? Again the FDA.
    Don't want bad batteries/chargers, CPSC. But we can't have that because we want them regulated tighter than simple consumer devices and if we make them safer there won't be anything to hold up as justification.

    I'd give CPSC a little break on this because there are so many knockoffs and copycat products they couldn't simply say "eGo batteries", except they don't even try. They could at least issue the exact same warnings we issue.

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    I had 2 people tell me to watch out because it might explode when they saw me using it, so I had to do some research. After I did, I felt a lot better. As far as I can tell, what everyone has already said is the case. The one I think they were talking about (and they got some facts wrong) was when someone modified a non-rechargeable battery to fit into a charger and left it there. Just use common sense and it should be fine.

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    I have to admit, after seeing all the ominous warnings on e-cig batteries, I have to wonder if I'm handling all my devices batteries incorrectly. I leave game systems/controllers/phones/cell phones/laptops/electronic tooth brushes/extra batteries for all these devices charging all the time. So the "never charge unattended" and "do not over charge" (whatever that is) scares me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistmonster View Post
    I have to admit, after seeing all the ominous warnings on e-cig batteries, I have to wonder if I'm handling all my devices batteries incorrectly. I leave game systems/controllers/phones/cell phones/laptops/electronic tooth brushes/extra batteries for all these devices charging all the time. So the "never charge unattended" and "do not over charge" (whatever that is) scares me.
    I hear ya! I wonder this myself all the time when I put my batteries on the charger before I go to bed. Sometimes I wonder if I have to sit there watching them LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hippieguy24 View Post
    I had 2 people tell me to watch out because it might explode when they saw me using it, so I had to do some research. After I did, I felt a lot better. As far as I can tell, what everyone has already said is the case. The one I think they were talking about (and they got some facts wrong) was when someone modified a non-rechargeable battery to fit into a charger and left it there. Just use common sense and it should be fine.
    A number of us have had close calls with cheap batteries and chargers. We're/ I are/ am just fortunate the batts were not charging unattended. Someone just posted a few days ago their Milwaukee screwgun batt went BOOM. So the bottom line to many of us...regardless of whatever PV, batts and charger is being used it's wise to follow advice given. If I hadn't I'm almost certain my home would've been a pile of ash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistmonster View Post
    I have to admit, after seeing all the ominous warnings on e-cig batteries, I have to wonder if I'm handling all my devices batteries incorrectly. I leave game systems/controllers/phones/cell phones/laptops/electronic tooth brushes/extra batteries for all these devices charging all the time. So the "never charge unattended" and "do not over charge" (whatever that is) scares me.
    There are chips in chargers that are supposed to cut off when the batt reaches 4.2 volts. If the chip fails (rare but it happens) thermal runaway happens and battery becomes overheated. Sadly until it happens to someone the reality really doesn't hit home. That's why some of us are so adamant about batt safety...every time I think about my mishap chills run down my back.
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    IMR_battery_post-venting.jpg

    Any battery should be considered potentially dangerous if not handled or used properly. AW IMR batteries are considered to be among the safest batteries available to us. The above picture is of an AW IMR battery that was being carried as a spare battery in a book bag. Apparently the battery came into contact with some type of metal or static electricity, over-discharged, and went into thermal runaway.

    What you see is the naked battery casing with the red shrink wrap melted away. The inner components of the battery has mushroomed out of the casing as a result of the venting of hot gases. Had this been an ICR battery (protected li-ion), the results may have been even more dramatic with flames involved.

    Had the owner used a plastic battery case Battery Cases at RTD Vapor to store his battery, this would never have happened. Never carry spare batteries in a pocket or purse where they can come into contact with keys, loose change, or static electricity.

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    Above is one of my own batteries. A protected ICR14500 Trustfire. This was in a mechanical mod whose prominent fire button was compressed for too long in a pants pocket (which I was luckily not wearing at the time), allowing the battery to over-heat and go into thermal runaway. This badly scorched the pants pocket that the mod was in, made the mod too hot to handle to touch with bare hands, and ruined the fire switch where the hot gases vented as designed. I was lucky to find the mod when I did to prevent a fire from occuring.

    This mod had no auto-turnoff feature for the fire button or any protective circuitry like electronic regulated mods have. The protective circuit of the protected Trustfire battery failed. In hindsight, either the juice attachment or the battery should have been removed when the mod was being kept in a tightly enclosed space like a pants pocket - safe battery practice. Now I use safer-chemistry IMR batteries and a Vape Safe Mod Fuse with this mod.

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    I don't know the details of the above two pics, but they are of mod batteries which went into thermal runaway. Learn which batteries are safe to use in your mods, use recommended chargers, learn safe battery practices, and use common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosaj03 View Post
    I have to look into getting one of those bags. Out of curiosity how many of you leave your batteries in the chargers all day? Is this a big no no even with the smart chargers?
    I never leave my mod batteries charging unattended. Ever. They charge in a LiPo bag on a nonflammable surface while I'm home and awake. I'd rather be accused of being overly cautious than deal with the possible alternative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baditude View Post
    In hindsight, either the juice attachment or the battery should have been removed when the mod was being kept in a tightly enclosed space like a pants pocket - safe battery practice. Now I use safer-chemistry IMR batteries and a Vape Safe Mod Fuse with this mod.
    Thanks to Baditude and other vets here, one of my consistent practices is to remove my juice attachment and batteries from my mechanical mods whenever I'm not using them, and to place the batteries in a non-conductive plastic container, especially if I will be transporting them. Again, I'd rather be accused of being overly cautious than deal with the possible alternative.

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