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    Hi all,

    I've just read somewhere that glycerine in the liquids was obtained from either vegetable or pig fat, or it is synthetic. Because of the religious concerns, I need to know which liquids of which supplier is not obtained from animals. Synthetics and vegetable based ones work for me.

    Currently I am using cartomizers from Green Smoke. Does anyone know if they have any ingredient from animals?

    And yesterday I ordered a 510 kit from cignot and ordered PG Marlboro (USA MIX) and VG Marlboro (USA MIX) juices. Do you know about them as well?

    Thanks in advance...

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    If your concern is the Pig fat in the PG you could order only VG liquids as they are only made from vegetables meaning there are no animal fats used. If your religious beliefs are against the pig, which many are, you could be sure only using VG.

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    I also read that PG gives way better hit comparing to VG. If that is the case I better find a vegetable based PG. Does anyone know some products for sure?
    Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elapid View Post
    If your concern is the Pig fat in the PG you could order only VG liquids as they are only made from vegetables meaning there are no animal fats used. If your religious beliefs are against the pig, which many are, you could be sure only using VG.

    This is not correct...if you are really worried about pig fat, PG would be the sure way to go...there are forms of VG that are made from animal fats.

    Practically all commercial production of PG is by non-catalytic hydrolysis of propylene oxide using high temperatures and high pressures.
    (found on the Dow website)

    Glycerol (ie glycerin) forms the backbone of triglycerides, and can be produced by saponification of animal fats, e.g. a byproduct of soap-making. It also is a byproduct of the production of biodiesel via transesterification. Because of the emphasis on biodiesel, the market for glycerol is depressed, and the old epichlorohydrin process for glycerol synthesis is no longer economical. Approximately 950,000 tons per annum are produced in the USA and Europe. Production will increase as the EU directive 2003/30/EC is implemented, which requires the replacement of 5.75% of petroleum fuels with biofuel across all Member States by 2010[2].
    Glycerol is also produced as a byproduct of refining of cooking and salad oils, and various brands (e.g, NOW) are sold to the retail market as "Pure Vegetable Source" glycerin, 100% pure, which is safe for ingestion.
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    There is no such thing as a vegetable based PG. If it is derived from vegetables, it will be VG. You will have to do research to find a VG fluid that is derived from plant oils and vegetables.

    I know the question has been asked here before about manufacturers who make 'vegetable' VG, so I would suggest doing a search here to find that info.

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    I believe that Drew at nhaler.com has kosher juice.
    On a side note, glycerin is used in making explosives. In WWII, citizens were encouraged to donate their used cooking grease to the US gov for bomb production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatdamncat View Post
    On a side note, glycerin is used in making explosives. In WWII, citizens were encouraged to donate their used cooking grease to the US gov for bomb production.
    That is where nitroglycerin is from.

    glycerin has been used for an incredible amount of things:

    Glycerol is used for an evaporative fogging agent as an alternative to Propylene Glycol in some solutions for "electronic cigarette" use, mostly for those with a physiological sensitivity or other health concerns.
    It is also used in de-icing/anti-icing fluids, as in vitrification of blood cells for storage in liquid nitrogen.
    In motion-picture production, glycerol is used as a non-evaporating substitute for perspiration or tears on actors. It is also used in some types of stage blood.
    Compost additive
    For tincture extraction and preservation of essential oils and chemicals from herbs
    Citric acid production
    Cosmetic bonding agent for makeup, including: eye shadow, lipstick, lipgloss, lotions and eyedrops
    Glycerol may be used as antifreeze for plants, if mixed with water in a 10 percent solution. It is believed to be effective at temperatures near -18 °C[dubiousdiscuss]
    Glycerol can also be used as a bodybuilding supplement to increase nitric oxide (NO) uptake in the muscles and act in a similar way to the amino acid arginine to create swelling in the working muscle for the individual
    Glycerin, when poured on potassium permanganate, will combust making it a useful firelighting tool.
    Glycerine is used as an anti-drying agent in watercolor paints.
    Glycerine is used as a preservative to keep tobacco mixture for use in hookahs moist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myasin View Post
    Hi all,

    I've just read somewhere that glycerine in the liquids was obtained from either vegetable or pig fat, or it is synthetic. Because of the religious concerns, I need to know which liquids of which supplier is not obtained from animals. Synthetics and vegetable based ones work for me.

    Currently I am using cartomizers from Green Smoke. Does anyone know if they have any ingredient from animals?

    And yesterday I ordered a 510 kit from cignot and ordered PG Marlboro (USA MIX) and VG Marlboro (USA MIX) juices. Do you know about them as well?

    Thanks in advance...
    I buy Heritage VG at Whole Foods. It is a purely vegetable-based glycerin. Works great but it is very thick, and I generally cut it with a few drops of vodka. You can also use distilled water to thin it. I am primarily using a 510 system, but I have a Green Smoke too. I believe their carts are PG-only for the vehicle, so not from animals. I am not a fan of PG, due to negative reactions to it, and I've tried VG in their carts. For the regular batts, it is fine, because it is 3.7 V. But I also have the GS passthrough (they call it USB electronic cigarette, I think). That monster MUST run at 5V, direct from the USB. Unmodified GS carts work great on it, MASSIVE vapor. But add VG and vape on the GS PT, and things go bad fast! Acrid cough-producing harsh vapor. I think maybe the 5V cooks the VG into acrolein, as this is a reaction product of VG under very high heat, which is not possible with regular 3.7V. Regardless, for whatever reason, and I've done the experiment several times, VG in the GS PT is a no-go. I've hurled a few otherwise good GS carts into the trash, as the vapor was that bad, and it was clear the cart would never give good vapor again. Not tried VG in GS carts on the GS batts yet. My guess is they will be fine at 3.7 V, but I'll try it at some point and report. It would be great to be able to avoid PG and reuse GS carts. GS is expensive, maybe too much so, but it is a quality product, very convenient and well built. The PT is about 3x as expensive as my 510 PT, but is a raging beast of vapor in comparison.

    I've been asking around in several threads if others have problems with vaping thick VG-based juices at 5V, but so far no one has responded, so I guess PG is the juice of choice with high voltage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myasin View Post
    I've just read somewhere that glycerine in the liquids was obtained from either vegetable or pig fat, or it is synthetic.

    Check out this thread:

    Vegetable Gylcerin vs Generic Glycerin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmeen View Post

    There is no such thing as a vegetable based PG. If it is derived from vegetables, it will be VG. You will have to do research to find a VG fluid that is derived from plant oils and vegetables.
    Thanks for the detailed information. But at the JC FAQ page they say their PG liquids are vegan. How about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt View Post
    I buy Heritage VG at Whole Foods. It is a purely vegetable-based glycerin. Works great but it is very thick, and I generally cut it with a few drops of vodka. You can also use distilled water to thin it. I am primarily using a 510 system, but I have a Green Smoke too. I believe their carts are PG-only for the vehicle, so not from animals. I am not a fan of PG, due to negative reactions to it, and I've tried VG in their carts. For the regular batts, it is fine, because it is 3.7 V. But I also have the GS passthrough (they call it USB electronic cigarette, I think). That monster MUST run at 5V, direct from the USB. Unmodified GS carts work great on it, MASSIVE vapor. But add VG and vape on the GS PT, and things go bad fast! Acrid cough-producing harsh vapor. I think maybe the 5V cooks the VG into acrolein, as this is a reaction product of VG under very high heat, which is not possible with regular 3.7V. Regardless, for whatever reason, and I've done the experiment several times, VG in the GS PT is a no-go. I've hurled a few otherwise good GS carts into the trash, as the vapor was that bad, and it was clear the cart would never give good vapor again. Not tried VG in GS carts on the GS batts yet. My guess is they will be fine at 3.7 V, but I'll try it at some point and report. It would be great to be able to avoid PG and reuse GS carts. GS is expensive, maybe too much so, but it is a quality product, very convenient and well built. The PT is about 3x as expensive as my 510 PT, but is a raging beast of vapor in comparison.

    I've been asking around in several threads if others have problems with vaping thick VG-based juices at 5V, but so far no one has responded, so I guess PG is the juice of choice with high voltage.
    Thank you very much for sharing your experience. If you do not know already GS uses the same generic model E9 and there are some other sellers who sells parts and kits way cheaper. e-cig, red dragon, and bloog (?) are the major ones.

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