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UkUsa · 02-10-2009, 09:44 PM

Flitz. I called a local health food store about VG. They didn't have any in stock but have ordered me an 8oz bottle. I'm going to pick it up on Thursday with no shipping charges.
You can also search on amazon for vegetable glycerine. There is quite a few on there. Also i have found some places online that sell PG in a gallon bottle for around $25.
If you haven't already, check out the DIY liquid forum. Lots of info if you are interested in mixing your own juices.
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WhaTchoo-TalKin-BoUt · 02-11-2009, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terraphon

I have been under the impression that glycerine is iffy in carts because of the possibility of it causing kidney problems.

Is this incorrect?

Well Terr, i beleive you use the evo if im not mistaken(ive seen your review). I also use the evo and if you look at thier site, in the health info section, they actually have the ingredients in thier carts, says 8% glycerol.Now glycerol and glycerine are the same thing just 2 of the same name according to wikipedia. Hope this soothes your mind about using the glycerine

Flitzanu · 02-12-2009, 03:56 AM

just a quick update, i did find some of the Wilton brand glycerine at a local hobby store. i can't remember if "Hobby Lobby" is regional or national...sorta like Michael's craft stores (we have those too, hobby lobby was closer). anyway, 2oz bottle, $2.18.

interesting note though, i found a bottle of glycerine with the soap making crafts too. it says 100% vegetable based glycerine, but DOES NOT list the ingredients, nor any health facts (the Wilton brand lists calories, fat, protein, etc: nutrition facts). also the one for soap says "not for consumption."

however...its a bigger 8oz bottle for about $3! since it doesn't say what the ingredients are though i wouldn't want to try it.

just funny if it's the exact same thing...

~kerri · 02-15-2009, 05:41 AM

"interesting note though, i found a bottle of glycerine with the soap making crafts too. it says 100% vegetable based glycerine, but DOES NOT list the ingredients, nor any health facts (the Wilton brand lists calories, fat, protein, etc: nutrition facts). also the one for soap says "not for consumption."

however...its a bigger 8oz bottle for about $3! since it doesn't say what the ingredients are though i wouldn't want to try it.

just funny if it's the exact same thing..."

_Well it is and it isn't...
Wilton is a baking supply house and is required to list the above and is food grade, the soap making one is most likely not food grade- as long as it's not intended for consumption they don't have to tell you jack about the processing etc... (I make cosmetics & I deal with this ALL the time looking for supplies) I would go with the Wilton if I were choosing between the 2 as well.

Jaaxx · 02-15-2009, 07:13 AM

I have addressed this issue in a few threads, but I'll try to put it all together.

What is called Glycerin can be had from many different sources. Some of it comes from petroleum byproducts, some from organic waste, some from vegetable sources.

People seem to be hung up on getting glycerin from vegetable sources. But, as long as it is USP 99.9% or whatever it should make no difference where it came from. Glycerin is glycerin at that level of purity.

Think of it this way, astronauts on the ISS are drinking water distilled from urine. H2O is H2O no matter where it comes from as long as it is pure. In the states USP is one of the assurances you have that a substance is, in fact, "pure."

Terraphon · 02-15-2009, 06:54 PM

Ok so glycerine isn't the culprit...Now I just need to find some.

EDIT : Looks like Wal-Greens carries "Glycerine USP" so I'm going to have to pop down to the corner and see what's up.

jbbishop · 02-16-2009, 08:25 AM

Any good brew shop will carry glycerine in 4 and 8 oz. bottles. It's used as a smoothing agent (and sometimes a sweetener) in wines and distilled spirits and adds body.

Nicotine is soluble in water. If you dry the tobacco out and then pulverize it in a blender and then let it steep in a hot water solution you're going to likely extract a very high percentage of the nicotine. Enough that, in my opinion you should be able to calculate the amount of nicotine from the total volume of tobacco. For example, 1/2 oz = about 20 cigarettes and a cigarette has about 2 mg. of nicotine.

I'm in Utah and was pissed off a few years back that they were going to be selling compressed snuff mints in some eastern states, but that Utah was one of a number of states that were attempting to prohibit them. I wanted to try them when they first came out and they weren't available here. Nicotine lozenges and that prescription crap is like way too much money when you compare it to a $3.00 pack of 20 hard snuff tobacco candies. This product is now available in Utah I believe and I find it delicious (sorta like coffee candy). Well at the time I considered going the route of making my own and actually had completed an extraction of nicotine alkaloid which was suspended as a thin layer of oil in an ether solution when I chickened out and threw it away. I just didn't have the right equipment and experience to be working with this stuff. ONE SINGLE DROP ON A PERSON'S UNPROTECTED SKIN CAN KILL! Atropine (another poison) is only a possible antidote. But REALLY ISN'T ALL THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO SCARY?

The method I settled on is the one suggested in these forums, a simple water based extraction that is filtered and then concentrated and mixed with a base. The recipe is easily found on the Internet it's actually used to make insecticide. In my case I made candy mints! It worked out splendidly!

Unfortunately, I can't use snuss or most chewing tobacco because it gives me hiccups. Well, so did these candies I made

The hard snuff lozenges don't give me hiccups though and I suspect it's for the same reason that the tobacco can be swallowed -- it's low in nitrosamines. Unfortunately neither the lozenges nor the patches have proven to be a suitable nicotine replacement therapy to substitute for my cigarettes so I'm gonna try vaporizing.

But really good luck with these experiments. Still, I'm sure that the real juice is made with refined nicotine alkaloid just like the lozenges at the pharmacy. Some thought should be put into what other compounds (probably more than 95% of the volume) are in the tobacco juice you're making from a water based extraction???

udave · 02-16-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flitzanu

just a quick update, i did find some of the Wilton brand glycerine at a local hobby store. i can't remember if "Hobby Lobby" is regional or national...sorta like Michael's craft stores (we have those too, hobby lobby was closer). anyway, 2oz bottle, $2.18.

interesting note though, i found a bottle of glycerine with the soap making crafts too. it says 100% vegetable based glycerine, but DOES NOT list the ingredients, nor any health facts (the Wilton brand lists calories, fat, protein, etc: nutrition facts). also the one for soap says "not for consumption."

however...its a bigger 8oz bottle for about $3! since it doesn't say what the ingredients are though i wouldn't want to try it.

just funny if it's the exact same thing...

I am using the Wilton brand from Hobby Lobby as well. The flavor is really sweet all by itself and I get tons of vapor. The glycerine doesn't seem to dry my throat out as bad as my PG liquids do. My Hobby Lobby didn't have a huge selection of Lorann flavors, but what they had was nice (Butter Rum in particular.)

Flitzanu · 02-17-2009, 12:35 AM

that reminds me, i need to check hobby lobby for lorann flavors. i swear these stores are going to get sick of seeing me walk in and buy 2 or 3 dollars worth of stuff over and over, haha.

MnMom · 05-13-2009, 07:07 PM

i went to every store in town to see where the best deal on glycerine and candy flavors are.... cheapest is at walmart.. in craft area (cake making area) but for the flavors they only carry them seaonsally. hobby lobby only sells a four pack of flavors- mint peppermint cherry cinnomin, unfortunately for me i am allergic to chocolate and all mint type stuff makes me think of chocolate.. and its bad side effects it has on me lol

the best place for the candy flavors i have found is hoppy lobby.. they sell about 15 flavors (i bought one of every kind lol) and also pretty good price on droppers etc
they are in candy making area.. also you can find bottles of diff types in other areas of thier store... candle making jewelry-beading etc you can also buy a gallon of pure veg glycerine by the liter online... way cheaper lol but who really needs that much lol i think was about 35+shipping for food grade and i found it at lots of diff sites - i am a google maniac, and as for other stores... we used to have a couple cooking specialty stores in town but they are gone now (i cook alot and love those stores) if there are any in your area they prob carrry it too and prob special order any flavor you want etc although prices are usually a bit higher there

hope it helped christine
hope that helps

02-15-2009, 06:54 PM	#16
Terraphon Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA Posts: 1,989 Tweet this post!	Ok so glycerine isn't the culprit...Now I just need to find some. EDIT : Looks like Wal-Greens carries "Glycerine USP" so I'm going to have to pop down to the corner and see what's up. __________________ My Twitter...Thing... Follow me! Last edited by Terraphon; 02-15-2009 at 07:04 PM.

02-16-2009, 08:25 AM	#17
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Food Grade Glycerin Source - Nictotine Alkaloid Any good brew shop will carry glycerine in 4 and 8 oz. bottles. It's used as a smoothing agent (and sometimes a sweetener) in wines and distilled spirits and adds body. Nicotine is soluble in water. If you dry the tobacco out and then pulverize it in a blender and then let it steep in a hot water solution you're going to likely extract a very high percentage of the nicotine. Enough that, in my opinion you should be able to calculate the amount of nicotine from the total volume of tobacco. For example, 1/2 oz = about 20 cigarettes and a cigarette has about 2 mg. of nicotine. I'm in Utah and was pissed off a few years back that they were going to be selling compressed snuff mints in some eastern states, but that Utah was one of a number of states that were attempting to prohibit them. I wanted to try them when they first came out and they weren't available here. Nicotine lozenges and that prescription crap is like way too much money when you compare it to a $3.00 pack of 20 hard snuff tobacco candies. This product is now available in Utah I believe and I find it delicious (sorta like coffee candy). Well at the time I considered going the route of making my own and actually had completed an extraction of nicotine alkaloid which was suspended as a thin layer of oil in an ether solution when I chickened out and threw it away. I just didn't have the right equipment and experience to be working with this stuff. ONE SINGLE DROP ON A PERSON'S UNPROTECTED SKIN CAN KILL! Atropine (another poison) is only a possible antidote. But REALLY ISN'T ALL THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO SCARY? The method I settled on is the one suggested in these forums, a simple water based extraction that is filtered and then concentrated and mixed with a base. The recipe is easily found on the Internet it's actually used to make insecticide. In my case I made candy mints! It worked out splendidly! Unfortunately, I can't use snuss or most chewing tobacco because it gives me hiccups. Well, so did these candies I made The hard snuff lozenges don't give me hiccups though and I suspect it's for the same reason that the tobacco can be swallowed -- it's low in nitrosamines. Unfortunately neither the lozenges nor the patches have proven to be a suitable nicotine replacement therapy to substitute for my cigarettes so I'm gonna try vaporizing. But really good luck with these experiments. Still, I'm sure that the real juice is made with refined nicotine alkaloid just like the lozenges at the pharmacy. Some thought should be put into what other compounds (probably more than 95% of the volume) are in the tobacco juice you're making from a water based extraction???

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02-10-2009, 09:44 PM	#11
UkUsa ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Smalltown Iowa, USA Posts: 513 Blog Entries: 11	Flitz. I called a local health food store about VG. They didn't have any in stock but have ordered me an 8oz bottle. I'm going to pick it up on Thursday with no shipping charges. You can also search on amazon for vegetable glycerine. There is quite a few on there. Also i have found some places online that sell PG in a gallon bottle for around $25. If you haven't already, check out the DIY liquid forum. Lots of info if you are interested in mixing your own juices. DIY e-liquid - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat

02-12-2009, 03:56 AM	#13
Flitzanu Debonair Elitist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tulsa, OK, U.S.A. Posts: 1,041 Tweet this post!	just a quick update, i did find some of the Wilton brand glycerine at a local hobby store. i can't remember if "Hobby Lobby" is regional or national...sorta like Michael's craft stores (we have those too, hobby lobby was closer). anyway, 2oz bottle, $2.18. interesting note though, i found a bottle of glycerine with the soap making crafts too. it says 100% vegetable based glycerine, but DOES NOT list the ingredients, nor any health facts (the Wilton brand lists calories, fat, protein, etc: nutrition facts). also the one for soap says "not for consumption." however...its a bigger 8oz bottle for about $3! since it doesn't say what the ingredients are though i wouldn't want to try it. just funny if it's the exact same thing...

02-15-2009, 05:41 AM	#14
~kerri Supporting Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco, CA. USA Posts: 218	"interesting note though, i found a bottle of glycerine with the soap making crafts too. it says 100% vegetable based glycerine, but DOES NOT list the ingredients, nor any health facts (the Wilton brand lists calories, fat, protein, etc: nutrition facts). also the one for soap says "not for consumption." however...its a bigger 8oz bottle for about $3! since it doesn't say what the ingredients are though i wouldn't want to try it. just funny if it's the exact same thing..." _Well it is and it isn't... Wilton is a baking supply house and is required to list the above and is food grade, the soap making one is most likely not food grade- as long as it's not intended for consumption they don't have to tell you jack about the processing etc... (I make cosmetics & I deal with this ALL the time looking for supplies) I would go with the Wilton if I were choosing between the 2 as well.

02-15-2009, 07:13 AM	#15
Jaaxx USA Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 494	I have addressed this issue in a few threads, but I'll try to put it all together. What is called Glycerin can be had from many different sources. Some of it comes from petroleum byproducts, some from organic waste, some from vegetable sources. People seem to be hung up on getting glycerin from vegetable sources. But, as long as it is USP 99.9% or whatever it should make no difference where it came from. Glycerin is glycerin at that level of purity. Think of it this way, astronauts on the ISS are drinking water distilled from urine. H2O is H2O no matter where it comes from as long as it is pure. In the states USP is one of the assurances you have that a substance is, in fact, "pure."

02-17-2009, 12:35 AM	#19
Flitzanu Debonair Elitist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tulsa, OK, U.S.A. Posts: 1,041 Tweet this post!	that reminds me, i need to check hobby lobby for lorann flavors. i swear these stores are going to get sick of seeing me walk in and buy 2 or 3 dollars worth of stuff over and over, haha.

05-13-2009, 07:07 PM	#20
MnMom Full Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rochester, Mn USA Posts: 11	i went to every store in town to see where the best deal on glycerine and candy flavors are.... cheapest is at walmart.. in craft area (cake making area) but for the flavors they only carry them seaonsally. hobby lobby only sells a four pack of flavors- mint peppermint cherry cinnomin, unfortunately for me i am allergic to chocolate and all mint type stuff makes me think of chocolate.. and its bad side effects it has on me lol the best place for the candy flavors i have found is hoppy lobby.. they sell about 15 flavors (i bought one of every kind lol) and also pretty good price on droppers etc they are in candy making area.. also you can find bottles of diff types in other areas of thier store... candle making jewelry-beading etc you can also buy a gallon of pure veg glycerine by the liter online... way cheaper lol but who really needs that much lol i think was about 35+shipping for food grade and i found it at lots of diff sites - i am a google maniac, and as for other stores... we used to have a couple cooking specialty stores in town but they are gone now (i cook alot and love those stores) if there are any in your area they prob carrry it too and prob special order any flavor you want etc although prices are usually a bit higher there hope it helped christine hope that helps