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jbbishop · 02-20-2009, 04:38 AM

I'm planning to make the switch. I've found the single greatest source of confusion is the unreliable representation concerning the equivalency of nicotine for the super mini versus the analog.

Now I understand that the average pack of full flavor cigarettes has about 22 mg. of nicotine. Let's just say about 1 mg. nicotine per ciggy (although I've read people can intake up to 2 mg. depending on how they smoke).

The highest strength cartridges are 6 mg. nicotine for these super minis I believe, although I think I saw one that said 8 mg. for an Njoy product? Actually, this translates to approximately 1/3 pack of cigarettes, and I've read that going through 3 carts a day is average from some users so this tallies pretty well.

I've read that on a puff per puff basis the e-smoker ingests at best about 1/3 as much nicotine as with a regular cigarette. A cart is supposed to deliver between 90 and 300 puffs (I believe these various assertions are applied to the micro mini) so I would guestimate that maybe 150 is a possible average? Or about 25 - 30 puffs being equal to a full cigarette?

These uncertainties aside for the moment here is where the math really tanks for me:

Many people say that buying carts is so expensive so they refill using the liquid. E-liquid comes in the highest strength of 36 mg. of nicotine for a formulation of 30 ml. of juice which, it is warned, is "VERY STRONG." Anecdotally, puffers are going through 1-2 ml. per day which I gather they regard as "equal to about 1 - 2 packs of cigarettes," but as I understand it this would only be equal to about 1-3 mg. of nicotine per day or a max. of about 3 analog cigarettes.

Is there something that I'm not understanding? Also, why do I have to read through all these forums and still find myself confused about this question? It seems to me that it should be the first thing curious people would want to figure out, not the least for attempting to determine their product needs and budgetary requirements.

Harry Crazington · 02-20-2009, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbbishop

Many people say that buying carts is so expensive so they refill using the liquid. E-liquid comes in the highest strength of 36 mg. of nicotine for a formulation of 30 ml. of juice which, it is warned, is "VERY STRONG." Anecdotally, puffers are going through 1-2 ml. per day which I gather they regard as "equal to about 1 - 2 packs of cigarettes," but as I understand it this would only be equal to about 1-3 mg. of nicotine per day or a max. of about 3 analog cigarettes.

Jbbishop, but there's 36mg in EACH ml, so1 or 2 ml would be about 20 to 40 drops or 36 to 72mg nic divide by 1/3 = 12 to 24mg nicotine, or ciggys. Wow, I was smoking 40 real cigs a day, now I'm down to 1 pack equivelant of e-cigs. A 50% reduction in nic intake.

jbbishop · 02-20-2009, 05:30 AM

From the New Member Forum:
Topic - how long do carts last compared analogs

FRANKIE WRITES:

For example 30 ml of 16 mg (high) e-liquid per month means you vaped the equivalent of 20 light analog cigarettes per day.

But regular cigarettes contain 0.9 mg. of nicotine and lights 0.6 mg. of nicotine so 20 lights per day is going to be 12 mg. of nicotine x 30 days = 360 mg. of nicotine where the "30 ml of 16 mg (high) e-liquid" reads like that's only 16 mg. of nicotine total. What am I missing here?

KATE WRITES:

Frankie is right about the nicotine but here's a general idea for puffs:
Super Minis (RN4081, RN4088, DSE103, etc...): About 1-3 cigs worth (20-30 puffs)
Mini (DSE901, etc...): 5-6 cigs worth (50-75 puffs depending on how you puff)
Pen (DSE801, RN4072, etc...): 7-10 cigs worth (up to about 100 puffs) eCigar: 10-12 cigs worth (up to about 120-130 puffs)
Pipe (DSE601, etc...) At least 14-15 cigs worth.

Taking the super mini, assuming the cart isn't dried out or whatever, then isn't the equivalency to a cigarette entirely dependent upon the amount of nicotine, thus 0 to 6 mg. is equal to from 0 to 6 cigarettes worth? Then, is that true there is only 20 - 30 puffs? If so, is there some quality issue where you're not really getting 6 mg. of nicotine out of them? I believe I've seen them advertise from 90 to 300 puffs per cart for the super mini, and I'd like to know what is really typical... I know they advertise a cart to be equal to 2 packs of cigs where mathematical analysis suggests more like 1/3 of a pack... Now Kate is saying it's only like 1-3 cigarettes (although she says she doesn't use carts herself). Geez, it sure would be nice to get some consensus.

jbbishop · 02-20-2009, 05:35 AM

THANK YOU HARRY CRAZINGTON, finally knowing that begins to make some sense, so 36 mg. nicotine formulation is actually about a gram of nicotine in a 30 ml. solution. Now I can see why people might get away with diluting their juice with glycerin, etc. Geez, this **** is deadly what if someone put it in your coffee? If anything needs to get regulated it's this e-juice. They need to put it in tamper proof cartridges I guess.

Harry Crazington · 02-20-2009, 05:37 AM

Jbbishop, not only that, but 36mg x 30ml = 1080 mg nic, divide by the lethal dose of 60mg nic = 18 times the lethal dose if someone drank a whole 30ml ( 1oz ) bottle all at once !

Harry Crazington · 02-20-2009, 05:40 AM

Jbbishop...and not only THAT...the e-juice is extremely flammable, put one drop on a spoon or piece of tinfoil & hold a flame to the juice & it burns like gasoline !...stuf's DANGEROUS, handle with care...& wear a helmet & goggles

Kate · 02-20-2009, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Crazington

Jbbishop, but there's 36mg in EACH ml, so1 or 2 ml would be about 20 to 40 drops or 36 to 72mg nic divide by 1/3 = 12 to 24mg nicotine, or ciggys. Wow, I was smoking 40 real cigs a day, now I'm down to 1 pack equivelant of e-cigs. A 50% reduction in nic intake.

Why divide by 1/3? Where does the other 2/3 go?

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Harry Crazington · 03-24-2009, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kate

Why divide by 1/3? Where does the other 2/3 go?

Ha, I just noticed your question Kate.
Where did the other 2/3 go? jbbishop was talking about thirds in his first post...and I was probably drinking when I answered him, and now rereading it I'm too totally confused by the whole mess to try and refigure it soooo..the other 2/3 probably got exhaled .....

BatFanBob · 03-24-2009, 01:53 PM

My head hurts...........

abby182000 · 03-26-2009, 02:39 PM

the 1/3 in the formula is derived from the fact that when vaping instead of smoking you only get 1/3 of the nicotine per drag than what you would get from an analog cigarette. At least that is how I interpreted it.

02-20-2009, 04:38 AM	#1
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Question about Mg. Nicotine and E-Juice I'm planning to make the switch. I've found the single greatest source of confusion is the unreliable representation concerning the equivalency of nicotine for the super mini versus the analog. Now I understand that the average pack of full flavor cigarettes has about 22 mg. of nicotine. Let's just say about 1 mg. nicotine per ciggy (although I've read people can intake up to 2 mg. depending on how they smoke). The highest strength cartridges are 6 mg. nicotine for these super minis I believe, although I think I saw one that said 8 mg. for an Njoy product? Actually, this translates to approximately 1/3 pack of cigarettes, and I've read that going through 3 carts a day is average from some users so this tallies pretty well. I've read that on a puff per puff basis the e-smoker ingests at best about 1/3 as much nicotine as with a regular cigarette. A cart is supposed to deliver between 90 and 300 puffs (I believe these various assertions are applied to the micro mini) so I would guestimate that maybe 150 is a possible average? Or about 25 - 30 puffs being equal to a full cigarette? These uncertainties aside for the moment here is where the math really tanks for me: Many people say that buying carts is so expensive so they refill using the liquid. E-liquid comes in the highest strength of 36 mg. of nicotine for a formulation of 30 ml. of juice which, it is warned, is "VERY STRONG." Anecdotally, puffers are going through 1-2 ml. per day which I gather they regard as "equal to about 1 - 2 packs of cigarettes," but as I understand it this would only be equal to about 1-3 mg. of nicotine per day or a max. of about 3 analog cigarettes. Is there something that I'm not understanding? Also, why do I have to read through all these forums and still find myself confused about this question? It seems to me that it should be the first thing curious people would want to figure out, not the least for attempting to determine their product needs and budgetary requirements.

02-20-2009, 05:30 AM	#3
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Some Answers, More Questions From the New Member Forum: Topic - how long do carts last compared analogs FRANKIE WRITES: For example 30 ml of 16 mg (high) e-liquid per month means you vaped the equivalent of 20 light analog cigarettes per day. But regular cigarettes contain 0.9 mg. of nicotine and lights 0.6 mg. of nicotine so 20 lights per day is going to be 12 mg. of nicotine x 30 days = 360 mg. of nicotine where the "30 ml of 16 mg (high) e-liquid" reads like that's only 16 mg. of nicotine total. What am I missing here? KATE WRITES: Frankie is right about the nicotine but here's a general idea for puffs: Super Minis (RN4081, RN4088, DSE103, etc...): About 1-3 cigs worth (20-30 puffs) Mini (DSE901, etc...): 5-6 cigs worth (50-75 puffs depending on how you puff) Pen (DSE801, RN4072, etc...): 7-10 cigs worth (up to about 100 puffs) eCigar: 10-12 cigs worth (up to about 120-130 puffs) Pipe (DSE601, etc...) At least 14-15 cigs worth. Taking the super mini, assuming the cart isn't dried out or whatever, then isn't the equivalency to a cigarette entirely dependent upon the amount of nicotine, thus 0 to 6 mg. is equal to from 0 to 6 cigarettes worth? Then, is that true there is only 20 - 30 puffs? If so, is there some quality issue where you're not really getting 6 mg. of nicotine out of them? I believe I've seen them advertise from 90 to 300 puffs per cart for the super mini, and I'd like to know what is really typical... I know they advertise a cart to be equal to 2 packs of cigs where mathematical analysis suggests more like 1/3 of a pack... Now Kate is saying it's only like 1-3 cigarettes (although she says she doesn't use carts herself). Geez, it sure would be nice to get some consensus.

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02-20-2009, 05:35 AM	#4
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	THANK YOU HARRY CRAZINGTON, finally knowing that begins to make some sense, so 36 mg. nicotine formulation is actually about a gram of nicotine in a 30 ml. solution. Now I can see why people might get away with diluting their juice with glycerin, etc. Geez, this **** is deadly what if someone put it in your coffee? If anything needs to get regulated it's this e-juice. They need to put it in tamper proof cartridges I guess.

02-20-2009, 05:37 AM	#5
Harry Crazington Re Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 231	Jbbishop, not only that, but 36mg x 30ml = 1080 mg nic, divide by the lethal dose of 60mg nic = 18 times the lethal dose if someone drank a whole 30ml ( 1oz ) bottle all at once !

02-20-2009, 05:40 AM	#6
Harry Crazington Re Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 231	Jbbishop...and not only THAT...the e-juice is extremely flammable, put one drop on a spoon or piece of tinfoil & hold a flame to the juice & it burns like gasoline !...stuf's DANGEROUS, handle with care...& wear a helmet & goggles

03-24-2009, 01:53 PM	#9
BatFanBob Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 9	My head hurts...........

03-26-2009, 02:39 PM	#10
abby182000 Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 13	the 1/3 in the formula is derived from the fact that when vaping instead of smoking you only get 1/3 of the nicotine per drag than what you would get from an analog cigarette. At least that is how I interpreted it.