Just another newbie introduction.. - E-Cigarette Forum

Sadie · 02-23-2009, 03:47 PM

Hey'all!

My name is Sadie.. I've been lurking around these forums for the past couple of weeks, reading up on just about everything I can get my fingers on, and figured I'd pop out of the woodwork to introduce myself.

Admittedly, I do have an ulterior motive.. newbie questions...

*Queue the scary music*

But first, I may as well fill y'all in on why I'm so interested in electronic cigarettes. I quit smoking tobacco about four years ago now.. hit the legal age to buy them and the thrill went away. Well.. that and the whole not being able to breathe, smelling like an ashtray, spending every dime to my name thing. But I never really got over the good things that I found in smoking. The time out, the social aspect.. basically everything but the bad stuff! Electronic cigarettes seem to offer the things I liked about smoking, without that stuff I didn't (tentatively speaking.. I'm well aware that no long or short term studies have been done, that they are finicky devices, can be horribly frustrating, and can drive one into what I call a collector's mania. But that looks like so much fun, that I can't leave it all to you guys!)

Now, while I would occasionally take a few puffs for the fun and leisure of it (and some of those flavours look damn near irresistible!), the main reason that I'm looking into electronic cigarettes is for the stage. I do a lot of performing, in a variety of different styles and roles.. some of which call for the use of a cigarette (you try playing a 50's Greaser who doesn't smoke..). I've tried using an unlit analog, painted pens, herbal cigarettes.. I've even used lit analogs when I really want the right look, and ended up nearly coughing my lungs out on stage. But nothing quite cuts it.

Electronic cigarettes look like the perfect prop.. they can look like a cigarette, to the point of lighting up like one. The vapour looks one hell of a lot like smoke to me, from what I've seen. The only thing that would be amiss would be the lack of smoke trailing from the end of it.. but that's no worse than any of the other things I've used to approximate a cigarette.

Now that I've hit you all with a wall of text.. on to the fun stuff!

I've looked at a number of different models of electronic cigarettes.. I need something that looks fairly akin to a normal cigarette that can produce a fair amount of vapour. This lead me to look at the RN4081 (specifically, the Peewee from Puresmoker), but I've found both good and bad things about it on this forum. On one hand, it's ranked as the least favourite device on a poll, and on the other looks to be fairly well liked by a select few. Are the main complaints regarding it's battery life and cartridge size, or is there another sizable flaw to it?

I've also been looking at the M401 (the Pilot from Puresmoker). But the other draw to electronic cigarettes for me is the variety of flavours. It seems to me that the most convenient way to try different flavours would be using the drip method, which I've heard is more difficult, and more likely to cause malfunction, with the M401's exposed atomizer compared to an enclosed design. Any opinions on that? How inconvenient is it to use cartridges to test new flavours, bearing in mind that I was never a heavy smoker back when I smoked, and doubt I'd become one with an electronic cigarette?

My third question is regarding juices.. Since I've already kicked the nicotine habit (and no offense intended to those who enjoy it.. it just isn't for me), I'd like to stay away from juice with added nicotine. But all of the sample packs that I've found seem to only be available with nicotine added to the mix. Are there any vendors out there who offer a 0mg nicotine sample pack? Or would I be stuck with crossing my fingers, ordering larger bottles, and hoping I like the flavours?

And one last question.. throat hit. I'm not too sure that I'd like a heavy throat hit.. how do the devices I listed before (the RN4081 and the M401) compare as far as that goes? Are there any devices you'd recommend as having minimal throat hit? I know that it's kind of a strange request, seeing as most people here seem to be after a heavy hit. Does the hit have more to do with the liquid, or the device?

Sorry for the novella.. I'm notorious for running on and on once I get going. But I'd be very appreciative of any help!

Thanks a ton!
--Sadie.

ill_dawg · 02-23-2009, 06:20 PM

just a quick reply, I haven't tried the 401, but I've really enjoyed my 4081. It's been pretty solid, but these forums would lead one to believe that this isn't the norm. If you want to drip, though, it should be good for you. Dead easy, good vapor, etc.

About flavors, if you don't want the nic, you have no reason to bu expensive bottles of liquid. Just look into some cheap glycerine or PG, can even pick it up at wal-mart for next to nothing. Cut that with some distilled water to make it flow a bit better. Drip in some LorAnn flavoring, and you're good to go. You can do a search or PM kate if you want a more percise recipie, I don't have it to hand, but this should get you started at least.

Welcome to the forum, and happy vaping!

smokingclam · 02-23-2009, 06:26 PM

Alot of suppliers are out of products right now due to the Chinese new year and lack of shipping. Generally I think you can get 0mg samplers when they are fully stocked again. Other problem with the device is the atomizer. No workie = no vapey. You could be on stage and poof .....no smoke.

Anyway most suppliers seem to be getting restocked this week so look again and you may find what you need.

Sadie · 02-23-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ill_dawg

just a quick reply, I haven't tried the 401, but I've really enjoyed my 4081. It's been pretty solid, but these forums would lead one to believe that this isn't the norm. If you want to drip, though, it should be good for you. Dead easy, good vapor, etc.

About flavors, if you don't want the nic, you have no reason to buy expensive bottles of liquid. Just look into some cheap glycerine or PG, can even pick it up at wal-mart for next to nothing. Cut that with some distilled water to make it flow a bit better. Drip in some LorAnn flavoring, and you're good to go. You can do a search or PM kate if you want a more percise recipie, I don't have it to hand, but this should get you started at least.

Welcome to the forum, and happy vaping!

Glad to hear you enjoy the 4081.. the reviews seem to be so conflicting! Some people really hate it, and others love the little thing.

The DIY route might be the best one to go with.. I'm just a little intimidated by it, that's all. On the bright side though, I'd know exactly what was in the juice I was using. And LorAnn has no shortage of different flavours, that's for sure!

Thanks for the reply and the welcome! Have a lovely day. ^.^

Sadie · 02-23-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokingclam

Alot of suppliers are out of products right now due to the Chinese new year and lack of shipping. Generally I think you can get 0mg samplers when they are fully stocked again. Other problem with the device is the atomizer. No workie = no vapey. You could be on stage and poof .....no smoke.

Anyway most suppliers seem to be getting restocked this week so look again and you may find what you need.

I'll have to look into the nicotine-free sampler thing again in a week or so then.. perseverance seems to be key with this thing, huh?

Having an atomizer die on stage would kind of suck.. but it wouldn't be any worse than what I'm doing now, and a lit one just doesn't work for me anymore.. my lungs can't take it! *Laughs*

Thanks!

Nuck · 02-23-2009, 06:43 PM

First I'd like to welcome a fellow Canadian ex-smoker

.

I've tried the 401 and absolutely love it. My problem is that I got an Evo and the carts taste like sh.t. I have a Pilot (another 401) on the way (could be here today) with some nicer juice so I can report the results soon.

I had no nicotine addiction as well when I started (8 years) and have found that for whatever reason, the low levels I get from esmoking hasn't affected me at all in terms of renewed addiction. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating using nicotine carts for the duration, just that after 4 years you won't all of a sudden start fiending for nicotine if you try out some of the samplers.

Sadie · 02-23-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuck

First I'd like to welcome a fellow Canadian ex-smoker

.

I've tried the 401 and absolutely love it. My problem is that I got an Evo and the carts taste like sh.t. I have a Pilot (another 401) on the way (could be here today) with some nicer juice so I can report the results soon.

I had no nicotine addiction as well when I started (8 years) and have found that for whatever reason, the low levels I get from esmoking hasn't affected me at all in terms of renewed addiction. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating using nicotine carts for the duration, just that after 4 years you won't all of a sudden start fiending for nicotine if you try out some of the samplers.

Yay Canada!

That's what I was worried about.. my partner would seriously kill me if I ended up re-addicted to nicotine. She's a rather stalwart anti-drug person.. she doesn't even like drinking coffee or taking pain medication! But I suppose that if I absolutely cannot live without trying a Cash sample pack, then it wouldn't kill me.

Thanks for the welcome!

Sadie · 02-23-2009, 07:42 PM

Another thing I was wondering.. does anyone know if the "Liberation Jr." from Smoke Liberation is an RN4081? It looks the same, but I'm not entirely sure. I really wish that vendors would list the model number along with their own branded names.. brands are nice and add personality, but I still want to know exactly what machine is under the fancy name and paint. *Laughs*

This might be a better question for the Smoke Liberation forum.. but I'm not sure how many posts I need to escape the Newbie Holding Zone.. anyone know the number?

Kate · 02-24-2009, 02:02 AM

Hi Sadie, welcome to the forum.

I don't know what the Liberation model is I'm afraid but just found out today that the Totally Wicked super is an RN4081.

The main problem with small devices is shorter battery and cartridge life but if you're going to be a light vaper then that's not necessarily a problem.

There is some information on making your own eliquid here - Eliquid Recepies

Until you have fifteen posts you can only start new threads on the new members board but you can still post on existing threads anywhere in the meantime.

Sadie · 02-24-2009, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kate

Hi Sadie, welcome to the forum.

I don't know what the Liberation model is I'm afraid but just found out today that the Totally Wicked super is an RN4081.

The main problem with small devices is shorter battery and cartridge life but if you're going to be a light vaper then that's not necessarily a problem.

There is some information on making your own eliquid here - (Link)

Until you have fifteen posts you can only start new threads on the new members board but you can still post on existing threads anywhere in the meantime.

Awesome! Thanks, Kate! It's looking like the RN4081 will be my first foray into electronic cigarettes.. and if it's not my thing.. well.. Steve will eventually restock the Pilots.

I've been lurking about in the DIY Liquid forum the past few days actually.. lots of great information in there! It's definitely starting to appeal to me.. kinda sad that the LorAnn peach has artificial colouring in it.. guess I'll have to find a commercial e-liquid to fill my peach cravings. ^.^

Thanks again!

02-23-2009, 03:47 PM	#1
Sadie Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 52	Just another newbie introduction.. Hey'all! My name is Sadie.. I've been lurking around these forums for the past couple of weeks, reading up on just about everything I can get my fingers on, and figured I'd pop out of the woodwork to introduce myself. Admittedly, I do have an ulterior motive.. newbie questions... Queue the scary music But first, I may as well fill y'all in on why I'm so interested in electronic cigarettes. I quit smoking tobacco about four years ago now.. hit the legal age to buy them and the thrill went away. Well.. that and the whole not being able to breathe, smelling like an ashtray, spending every dime to my name thing. But I never really got over the good things that I found in smoking. The time out, the social aspect.. basically everything but the bad stuff! Electronic cigarettes seem to offer the things I liked about smoking, without that stuff I didn't (tentatively speaking.. I'm well aware that no long or short term studies have been done, that they are finicky devices, can be horribly frustrating, and can drive one into what I call a collector's mania. But that looks like so much fun, that I can't leave it all to you guys!) Now, while I would occasionally take a few puffs for the fun and leisure of it (and some of those flavours look damn near irresistible!), the main reason that I'm looking into electronic cigarettes is for the stage. I do a lot of performing, in a variety of different styles and roles.. some of which call for the use of a cigarette (you try playing a 50's Greaser who doesn't smoke..). I've tried using an unlit analog, painted pens, herbal cigarettes.. I've even used lit analogs when I really want the right look, and ended up nearly coughing my lungs out on stage. But nothing quite cuts it. Electronic cigarettes look like the perfect prop.. they can look like a cigarette, to the point of lighting up like one. The vapour looks one hell of a lot like smoke to me, from what I've seen. The only thing that would be amiss would be the lack of smoke trailing from the end of it.. but that's no worse than any of the other things I've used to approximate a cigarette. Now that I've hit you all with a wall of text.. on to the fun stuff! I've looked at a number of different models of electronic cigarettes.. I need something that looks fairly akin to a normal cigarette that can produce a fair amount of vapour. This lead me to look at the RN4081 (specifically, the Peewee from Puresmoker), but I've found both good and bad things about it on this forum. On one hand, it's ranked as the least favourite device on a poll, and on the other looks to be fairly well liked by a select few. Are the main complaints regarding it's battery life and cartridge size, or is there another sizable flaw to it? I've also been looking at the M401 (the Pilot from Puresmoker). But the other draw to electronic cigarettes for me is the variety of flavours. It seems to me that the most convenient way to try different flavours would be using the drip method, which I've heard is more difficult, and more likely to cause malfunction, with the M401's exposed atomizer compared to an enclosed design. Any opinions on that? How inconvenient is it to use cartridges to test new flavours, bearing in mind that I was never a heavy smoker back when I smoked, and doubt I'd become one with an electronic cigarette? My third question is regarding juices.. Since I've already kicked the nicotine habit (and no offense intended to those who enjoy it.. it just isn't for me), I'd like to stay away from juice with added nicotine. But all of the sample packs that I've found seem to only be available with nicotine added to the mix. Are there any vendors out there who offer a 0mg nicotine sample pack? Or would I be stuck with crossing my fingers, ordering larger bottles, and hoping I like the flavours? And one last question.. throat hit. I'm not too sure that I'd like a heavy throat hit.. how do the devices I listed before (the RN4081 and the M401) compare as far as that goes? Are there any devices you'd recommend as having minimal throat hit? I know that it's kind of a strange request, seeing as most people here seem to be after a heavy hit. Does the hit have more to do with the liquid, or the device? Sorry for the novella.. I'm notorious for running on and on once I get going. But I'd be very appreciative of any help! Thanks a ton! --Sadie.

02-23-2009, 06:20 PM	#2
ill_dawg Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 46	just a quick reply, I haven't tried the 401, but I've really enjoyed my 4081. It's been pretty solid, but these forums would lead one to believe that this isn't the norm. If you want to drip, though, it should be good for you. Dead easy, good vapor, etc. About flavors, if you don't want the nic, you have no reason to bu expensive bottles of liquid. Just look into some cheap glycerine or PG, can even pick it up at wal-mart for next to nothing. Cut that with some distilled water to make it flow a bit better. Drip in some LorAnn flavoring, and you're good to go. You can do a search or PM kate if you want a more percise recipie, I don't have it to hand, but this should get you started at least. Welcome to the forum, and happy vaping! __________________

02-23-2009, 06:26 PM	#3
smokingclam VAPORIZING BI-VALVE ECF Veteran Supporting Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Punta Gorda, Florida Posts: 502	Alot of suppliers are out of products right now due to the Chinese new year and lack of shipping. Generally I think you can get 0mg samplers when they are fully stocked again. Other problem with the device is the atomizer. No workie = no vapey. You could be on stage and poof .....no smoke. Anyway most suppliers seem to be getting restocked this week so look again and you may find what you need. __________________

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02-23-2009, 06:43 PM	#6
Nuck Ultra Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,142 Tweet this post!	First I'd like to welcome a fellow Canadian ex-smoker . I've tried the 401 and absolutely love it. My problem is that I got an Evo and the carts taste like sh.t. I have a Pilot (another 401) on the way (could be here today) with some nicer juice so I can report the results soon. I had no nicotine addiction as well when I started (8 years) and have found that for whatever reason, the low levels I get from esmoking hasn't affected me at all in terms of renewed addiction. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating using nicotine carts for the duration, just that after 4 years you won't all of a sudden start fiending for nicotine if you try out some of the samplers.

02-23-2009, 07:42 PM	#8
Sadie Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 52	Another thing I was wondering.. does anyone know if the "Liberation Jr." from Smoke Liberation is an RN4081? It looks the same, but I'm not entirely sure. I really wish that vendors would list the model number along with their own branded names.. brands are nice and add personality, but I still want to know exactly what machine is under the fancy name and paint. Laughs This might be a better question for the Smoke Liberation forum.. but I'm not sure how many posts I need to escape the Newbie Holding Zone.. anyone know the number?

02-24-2009, 02:02 AM	#9
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	Hi Sadie, welcome to the forum. I don't know what the Liberation model is I'm afraid but just found out today that the Totally Wicked super is an RN4081. The main problem with small devices is shorter battery and cartridge life but if you're going to be a light vaper then that's not necessarily a problem. There is some information on making your own eliquid here - Eliquid Recepies Until you have fifteen posts you can only start new threads on the new members board but you can still post on existing threads anywhere in the meantime.