New(ish) study demonstrates power of nicotine addiction

[jamie]

Thanks for some perspective and context Mamba.

[Lady Python]

I agree with Mamba on this one (two snakes together).

One has to delve a little deeper into these studies. Who funded the study? No doubt one of the big pharmas is involved there somewhere. The vast majority of these studies are backed by big pharma simply because they want people to buy their products at over-inflated prices.

Then there's WHO (World Health Organisation). They want tobacco products banned worldwide. Who's pulling their strings? That's right, the big pharmas!

Ironically, there are studies which have completely rubbished the anti-smoker's studies.

The leading anti-smoker, Stanton Glantz who portrays himself as a doctor. The man is a complete fraud. A liar and a cheat:

Hes a quack doctor- a mechanical engineer who is a professor in medicine- obtained this by doing a thesis on the mechanics of the heart.

Yet, he has free rein to spout his hatred and rhetoric - backed of course, by the pharmaceuticals

Here in the UK we've had a blanket ban on smoking in public places for a year now, thanks to our corrupt government renaging on their manifesto pledge that a smoking ban would only be in establishments that served food and pubs that didn't serve food would be exempt as would private clubs. The result has been that many pubs and clubs have closed down through lack of trade and many people have lost their livelihoods. Many of us have lost their social lives. I have been in a pub once since the smoking ban - and that was for a funeral wake. Both hubby (a non-smoker) and myself left after the statutory tea and sandwiches. At Christmas we went to the work's night out. Given that 98% of us there are smokers, all of us left within 30 minutes of the end of the meal (which was garbage anyway). None of us enjoyed ourselves. We went home quite upset as did everyone else. Before the ban, we would all have enjoyed ourselves but having to go out into the freezing cold, push our way through the other people who were there (there were other people not involved with our firm having their parties too) really put a downer on things. Even our rabid anti-smoker had the good grace to look sheepish.

Before the ban, when we went shopping we always went to a cafe for a cup of coffee. We don't do that anymore. I have been in a cafe once since the smoking ban started and that was because I bumped into a friend I'd lost touch with and we were both so gobsmacked that we HAD to have a coffee. Suffice to say, I didn't stay long (she's a non-smoker) and made my excuses.

What's happened to me has been repeated up and down the country. Pubs are closing down by the score each week, as are clubs. Just last week it was said that in less than two years time there will be no working men's clubs left as they are struggling to survive. The smoking ban has been the worst thing inflicted on people. The annoying part is that our government did not have a mandate from the people of this country to implement this ban, but the likes of ASH, funded by the big pharmaceuticals are relentless in the persecution of smokers. Deborah Arnott, head of ASH stated that the SHS - secondhand smoke was "...a confidence trick..."

That is on record, so the hysteria against smokers perpetrated by Glantz, Arnott and their ilk are based on junk science, manipulated statistics and out and out lies.

The consequences are far-reaching.

This week here in the UK, a company advertised for staff. In big letters it said:

NON-SMOKERS ONLY NEED APPLY

Smokers are the only group of people discriminated against LEGALLY in this country. If the same advert had said black/white/whatever religion etc. etc. their feet would not have touched the ground on the way to the cells Now it would seem smokers are to be excluded from jobs and probably those already in jobs will find themselves suddenly "made redundant".

And what for? So that the big pharmas can make lots of £££ $$$s selling their equally addictive and useless, expensive products and our government (and probably yours too, wherever you live) can exercise control over our lives

However, there is a change. A subtle change, but it's there. Where a year ago all the newspapers were trumpeting how wonderful the smoking ban was, how all the non-smokers who wouldn't go to pubs and clubs because they hated the smoke for one reason or another would go to the pubs in droves after the ban - well, it didn't happen. These same newspapers are now starting to sing a different tune - that the smoking ban isn't such a good idea after all as people are losing their livelihoods etc. and that the anti-smoker's arguments are based on junk science.

We told them that to start with, but they wouldn't listen.

The government is hated by the vast majority of people in this country. In May we had local elections. The Labour party got well and truly hammered. One of the main reasons why they got hammered was the smoking ban. That came from one of their own activists.

When you oppress and dictate to a people, sooner or later the people will rebel. That is what we're starting to see in this country.

People should be free to make their own minds up about something. No government should have the right to dictate what people do in their private lives or in their own properties and the sooner people start standing up to these nanny-state bullies the better.

I got my e-cig so I can "smoke" where I want. Basically, I got it to stick two fingers up at our dictatorship...sorry I mean government. The fact that I really like it and it's saving me money but depriving the government of about £4 I would have spent in cigarettes makes it very worthwhile.

Wherever you live I urge you to join

Freedom To Choose

The antis will go out of their way to ban e-cigs too - just because they don't like the idea of anyone "smoking".

Don't let another injustice happen.

Sorry for the rant but it is something I feel very strongly about (reaching for her e-cig)...

[Ruby]

Lady Python that's a good post. I feel much the same. I found it interesting that you don't go to pubs etc anymore - me too. I can't be bothered with standing outside in the cold weather feeling like a leper. Same goes for restaurants.
I hope many pubs start to look at allowing vaping - it's time both the public and businesses that rely on social interaction stand up and forcefully refuse to be bashed around again. Now is the time - before the nanny state starts to suppress this too.


I had to spend an afternoon at a local hotel - usually this would be my idea of partial hell. I asked permission to vape (brainwashed creature that I am!) & was allowed to do so no probs. I think businesses could welcome this...we just have to make them aware of it.

[expipeman]

Yesterday I popped into a pub in Congleton for a pint, and asked the barman whether it was "ok to use electronics", showing him my supermini. He said that it was fine and so I had a wonderful relaxed time, sitting in an English pub "smoking" - a pleasure that I believed had been denied to me forever by the Smoking Ban. Nobody objected or seemed disturbed in any way. The more we "smoke" in such circumstances (asking permission first seems both polite and fair) the more e-cigarette use will become an accepted part of everyday life.