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03-31-2009, 06:36 AM
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03-31-2009, 06:42 AM
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Very interesting. Never even thought nicotine's 'addictive' properties would be an issue ever again.
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03-31-2009, 07:32 AM
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It's interesting, thanks.  Just skimming it superficially, I don't agree with a few things, particularly, "Nicotine does not propel itself to the top of the individual's motivations nor does it impair the ability of natural rewards to motivate behavior." and "With addictive substances, behavioral compensation occurs following changes in unit dose... No such apparent regulation of intake has generally been seen with nicotine." |
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03-31-2009, 07:56 PM
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<RED TEXT> A heroin addict will will risk life in jail to rob a gas station so they can fund their addiction. How many burglaries happen because someone "just needed $10 for cigarettes?! <BLUE TEXT> Again, compared to heroin, an addict will NEED a certain dosage to feel satisfied....example, 2 ml injection to get "high" would be normal for John Doe, but if you only give him 1.5 ml injection, his body will know the difference. Whereas as smoker only needs "a cigarette"...nicotine content in analogs is a limited variable. For example, my pack of analogs shows 1.2 - 2.7 mg/cigarette. A consumer never knows if that analog they just stood outside in the freezing cold to have, had 1.2 mg...or 1.8....or the top limit of 2.7 mg, but we feel satisfied. Therefore, his comment can mean "a nicotine addiction does not need a "specific dose" to make the user/consumer feel better."
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03-31-2009, 09:11 PM
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There have long been robberies for cigs and smash & grabs have become steadily more common as the price has been jumping the past decade. Cigarettes are a lot easier to get than heroin though. I know, I've given out hundreds of single cigarettes to folks who ask me on the street or at the mall or the office or... And I've asked for them too. People go through their garbage for butts, get dressed and go out at 3am to get them, request handouts from strangers, zone out on whatever is being said waiting to leave and have that ciggie, tear the house apart trying to find the extra pack.... Middle class folks who are aghast at law breaking have found themselves sneaking cigs across the border and trying to find underground cheap sales online. People say they can't have even one if they want to stay quit - that isn't normal. Most here wouldn't put up with the ecig industry as it exists now, otherwise. Dose: Within a tiny range true... but we see here people being quite unsatisfied and calling FAIL until they find the proper dose. Pharma NRT is mostly ineffective, in part due to dose. Most of all, it's been shown that people alter the way they smoke regular commercial cigarettes in order to access a certain dosage of nic - they puff lighter or deeper or handle the filter differently or hold smoke longer. They do compensate, it's been measured. | |
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03-31-2009, 11:15 PM
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[quote=jamie;168749]Okay, here are my counter-points. get dressed and go out at 3am to get them, request handouts from strangers, zone out on whatever is being said waiting to leave and have that ciggie, tear the house apart trying to find the extra pack.. been there,, lol now sometimes its a panic to check and make sure the extra batteries are charging,, |
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04-01-2009, 04:05 AM
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points taken...
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04-01-2009, 04:15 AM
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I find myself more addicted to the hand-to-mouth/inhaling-exhaling actions than the actual acquiring of nicotine itself. Maybe I'm just wierd.
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04-02-2009, 05:39 AM
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Maybe it is more the physical motions/sensations that are addictive, and not the nicotine 
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04-02-2009, 05:45 AM
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I think all they're really saying is that nicotine doesn't get you as high as heroin. :/ haha. I don't know, I have such a short attention span that depending on what time of day it is or what's on my mind, at a time such as now if I read it I am just laughing my ass off because it's a bunch of words I know that make absolutely no sense together. And I'm able to read them consecutively fluidly, but cannot derive any sense or meaning or even understand how I'm reading it at all. =( Also, when I was staying at the hospital for a while, a nurse informed me that there were more nicotine receptors in your brain than there were for any other drug. But then someone said that "all your receptors can fit cocaine" and I was like okay..... what am I supposed to believe? It's physically addicting as well as psychologically. |
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