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[drewterry]

Key word there is SIMILAR. And it is produced within the body, not taken into the body. BIG differences. That's a neurochemical, not a drug, and the fact that it's similar to ... doesn't make ... a natural part of our bodily functions.

The stuff we have in our brain is identical to .... We need it. We need it to manage pain and we need it to stimulate our appetite among other things. That is why ......... is now an FDA approved medicine in the form of Marinol and a couple other trade names.

[LaceyUnderall]

leaford, I believe you are right about Congress and/or the courts not allowing FDA oversight of tobacco. I still think it is hypocritical, however. It is especially hypocritical of Congress. Electronic Vaporizers are simply an "alternative" method of inhaling a mixture of substances just like cigarettes are a method of inhaling a mixture of substances, except the tobacco mixture happens to have 400+ cancer causing agents included that is not found in the "alternative". But lets (our government) continue to support/allow the cancer causing method but regulate at best or ban at worst, the better alternative. There has never been a better example of "hypocracy".

Vaporizing is also the next step in the evolution of fire.

[drewterry]

Because the pharmaceutical companies came up with a wonderful way to create lifelong customers. Get parents to think the answer to the behavioral issues in their children are not by diet changes but with a pill. This, in turn, gets kids used to popping pills and then in turn, creates adults who think they NEED a pill to be better.

It is no different than what the cigarette companies have done. The pharmaceutical companies simply do it behind the curtain of government approval.

Well exactly. That is what it is all about isnt it? Money. Its not about what is safe or scientifically proven to be beneficial. The FDA couldnt care less. In fact it makes its money from things not being safe. That is what gets you to the doctors to buy pills. The pharma companies make money the FDA makes money and the doctors make money.

[LaceyUnderall]

Well exactly. That is what it is all about isnt it? Money. Its not about what is safe or scientifically proven to be beneficial. The FDA couldnt care less. In fact it makes its money from things not being safe. That is what gets you to the doctors to buy pills. The pharma companies make money the FDA makes money and the doctors make money.

Exactly. And you still have a right to self medicate yourself without government or pharmaceutical intervention.

In an earlier post, I noted a link to a chemical company and how they extract nicotine for pharmaceutical grade nicotine. IT WAS HORRIFYING! What ever happened to simple extraction with no chemicals? Sure, the effects might not be as strong, but who says that I can't go that route?

This also comes down to a debate over Eastern vs. Western medicine practices. Why do you think that insurance companies don't cover trips to non-Western medical facilities? Accupuncture being one of those not covered on many plans.

[esmok-e]

Cigarettes, at the end of the day - according to US courts are lethal weapons whose victims get paid huge settlements. Those $ettlements represent the price of admission for the tobacco companies to kill more people a day than all the gun fatalities put together.

Let's get away from the apples to oranges comparisons.

The device we love and promote was conceived as a whole different animal. It is the "harm reduction program".

Not much has to change, just repaint some racing cars with e-cigs logos.

[LaceyUnderall]

The device we love and promote was conceived as a whole different animal. It is the "harm reduction program".

Bravo. Have you seen Tobaccoharmreduction.org Huge fans of the ecig. Huge fans.

[leaford]

Its interesting that you bring up ADD... do you know what ADD medication really is? Its methamphetimine.... street name speed or crystal meth. That is what doctors are prescribing to kids with ADD and those meds are approved by the FDA. So if speed or crystal meth is approved by the FDA then why is it an illegal drug?

Again, no. LOW doses of pharmaceutical grade meth are sometimes, but RARELY prescribed for ADD. Most ADD medications are dextroamphetamine sulfate, or methylphenidate, which may sound similar, but aren't the same.

[drewterry]

So basically if the FDA says you can do the drug you can do the drug except when you want to do the drug that the FDA has said you can do but you dont get permission to do it first? That is just too much of a communistic government for my liking. I mean think about it. Nicotine is FDA approved to stop smoking, PG is FDA approved, and the flavorings are food grade. So individually they are okay. You can chew nicotine gum you can buy it right over the counter now without a perscription. You can get all the PG you want and its real cheap. You can get all the flavorings you want. Yet supposedly you cant combine all three together and vaporize them?? That makes no sense whatsoever.

[leaford]

STONY BROOK, N.Y., March 24, 2009 – Dale Deutsch, Ph.D., Professor of Biochemistry and Cell Biology at Stony Brook University and colleagues discovered a new molecular mechanism for the processing of endocannabinoids, brain compounds similar to ..., the active ingredient in ........., and essential in physiological processes such as pain, appetite, and memory. Reported online this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), the finding could pave the way for new medicines for pain, addiction, appetite control and other disorders.

The stuff we have in our brain is identical to .... We need it. We need it to manage pain and we need it to stimulate our appetite among other things. That is why ......... is now an FDA approved medicine in the form of Marinol and a couple other trade names.

No, what we have in our brains are ENDOcannabinoids. They are SIMILAR, but not IDENTICAL, to the PHYTOcannabinoids that are found in ......... ........ affects us the way it does because we have neurochemicals similar to them. But they aren't the same.
EDIT: Oops, forgot the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocan...docannabinoids

[drewterry]

I mean opium barbituates speed and now ......... are all FDA approved in some form or another. They call it by different names and the pharma companies manufacture them and sell them but you can only use them if you have permission to from a doctor. So if that is the case then why cant you just medicate yourself with these things?