Nicotine for sale?

[Kendra]

Originally Posted by yvilla

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. First, the whole point of contemplating my own personalized prescription is if, and only if, eliquid is no longer available in the US, even by importation of personal amounts directly by the consumer. Hopefully this is not going to occur, but it's a worst case failsafe idea.

Second, nicotine is already "approved" by the FDA - in patches, gum, lozenges and inhalers. Nicotine in a PG (or VG) solution is simply nicotine in a different carrier - no big stretch. Thus, I disagree that it would be so hard to find intelligent, thinking physicians who would be willing to provide an alternative to smoking for a patient via such a personalized prescription.

Third, that's the whole point of compounding pharmacies anyway - they make up compounds from otherwise legally available pharmaceutical raw materials, precisely in circumstances where the patient's needs can not be met by FDA approved and commercially available drugs. So long as they follow the federal regs governing compounding pharmacies, they are exempt from the FDA "new drug" approval process. (See, Medical Ctr Pharmacy vs. Mukasey (5th Cir. , July 18, 2008).

Medical Ctr Pharmacy vs. Mukasey - U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Cir. - July 18, 2008, Federal Circuits, Docket 06-51583 - vLex

So you see that following your reasoning to it's logical conclusion, there would be no compounding pharmacies, for no doctor would ever be so bold as to prescribe something not made available by the big Pharm gods and given the FDA blessing!

Oh, we don't disagree. .. I'm just speculating. I'd much rather you BE right and me BE wrong!

I hope we manage to keep this freely sold, but if not, I hope you're right and there will be some way to get it.

[Kendra]

Originally Posted by Misty

Good question, Vaping!..
it's already been discussed in this thread..
Nicotine Extraction Experiment
and this one..
cheap nicotine/pg

I remember that thread and was just thinking about it today. .. thanks for finding it and posting it.

I think that this is even a better option. I think we'd be able to call them and ask them to send us the pure nicotine in a solution of pg or glyc. From what I read elsewhere on this forum (but don't remember who said it), someone said they've ordered poisonous drugs before for his "kitchen table" experiments and said it's as easy as a phone call to get.

I am just too much of a wuss to call and ask them to do that for me so far.

[yvilla]

Originally Posted by Kendra

Oh, we don't disagree. .. I'm just speculating. I'd much rather you BE right and me BE wrong!

I hope we manage to keep this freely sold, but if not, I hope you're right and there will be some way to get it.

Well, on that we are in complete agreement!

Actually, as grim as it's looking with the FDA planning it's May 5th enforcement actions, I'm still really hopeful that individual consumer orders from China may always be available. That would be good for us, but not so good for all the thousands who may then never get started with ecigs.

[taz3cat]

We can probably order parts for a while out of china, but e-liquid will be the problem and we all know it. Batterys are just batterys and atomizers by themselves are just funny look tubes. Walmart has a lot of stuffing and tea bags.

[Kendra]

Originally Posted by yvilla

Well, on that we are in complete agreement!

Actually, as grim as it's looking with the FDA planning it's May 5th enforcement actions, I'm still really hopeful that individual consumer orders from China may always be available. That would be good for us, but not so good for all the thousands who may then never get started with ecigs.

I know! And, to top it off, it won't be something we'll be touting as wonderful anymore, since we'd be trying to keep our own use and "connection" under the radar.

[Vapor Pete]

Originally Posted by Kendra

I know! And, to top it off, it won't be something we'll be touting as wonderful anymore, since we'd be trying to keep our own use and "connection" under the radar.

Kendra sweetie... I like your other avitar MUCH better. Just sayin
My best,
-VP

[Kendra]

Originally Posted by Vapor Pete

Kendra sweetie... I like your other avitar MUCH better. Just sayin
My best,
-VP

Really? I like this one, actually. Soon maybe I'll change it. Didn't your mom teach you the whole, "if you don't have anything nice to say" thing? For instance, I haven't commented on your avatar.

[Webby]

Perhaps we could hire a lab in the US to make liquid for us - legally? The proposed ban (which as I am seeing may or may not even happen) applies to the liquid nicotine.


Assuming we can still get cartridges (blanks) and hire a lab to produce them we'd be one step closer to the Lexus model (the reverse engineering of a mercedes) and making these here in the US.

On that note - anyone brought up the possibility of having an e-cig manufactured here in the good old US-of-A? With the current hoopla surrounding them it wouldn't be the best horse to bet on right now, but surely a US product would diffuse a lot of the connotation regarding Chinese imports being unsafe.

It would certainly put away QA issues - even if the things cost $250 a piece, they'd have a strong foothold as an apple pie product.

[AGNES PEACOCK]

Yvilla:

I do believe you may have something here. I take BHRT (Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy). My Bioidenticals are from a compounding pharmacy. Big Pharma would like it stopped as they have Premarin (synthetically made from a pregnant mares urine). Bioidenticals are made from yams and soy and the natural ingredients cannot be patented. Many, many people take them, the list is growing and includes celebreties. The FDA has several times tried to ban them. When a ban is mentioned there are marches, phone calls, etc... right up to the day of any decision making or voting. BHRT in invaluable in the lives of many women and men. They are not "approved by the FDA". I think the PV is just as important in the lives of many women and men.

I will speak to my prescribing doctor about this issue on my next visit and let you know what he says about the possibility of him prescribing such a nicotine product for me. And thank you for bringing this possibility to light, as it is definitely worth further research to me.

[ZambucaLu]

Good info Agnes! I'll be curious to see what your doc says.

Lu