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Ok. So, I went on a hunt for nicotine awhile back... raw nicotine. I ran across several companies like this one Alchem International Manufacturer & Exporter of Nicotine USP After reading how the nicotine was extracted for pharmaceutical grade nicotine, I about ***** my pants. Pharmaceutical nicotine is some chemically derived stuff! This comes down to the "guilt by association" philosophy that the only reason why nicotine is demonized is because the carrier (tobacco cigarette) is such a demon. Which it truly is. Even the patches are not "organic" nicotine. So the testing done thus far on nicotine is all pharmaceutical grade stuff. Truly the only way you could do a test on nicotine would be to extract it as naturally as possible without chemical intervention and then add it to a vegetable base and then do testing. Wow. Our ecigs could become VERY organic in delivery of nicotine. (sure the nicotine might not have such a strong power, but isn't that a concession some would be willing to make?) |
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You may prefer "organic" tobacco leaf to be the origin of the nicotine or less industrial processes to be used to get it out of the tobacco leaf, but in the end, it will yield exactly the same chemical surely.
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Are my assumptions wrong that nicotine extracted by chemical means could possibly have a residue from one of those chemicals, not making it pure nicotine anymore? I am not a scientist by any means... so I am truly curious. | |
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For it to be pharmaceutical grade, I think it unlikely for it to be anything remotely toxic. Coupled with this, since we consume nicotine in such hugely diluted quantities, we'd be taking about less than 1% of less than 0.36% using the maximum 36mg/ml strength generally available. In the case of the NRT nasal spray at 10mg/ml this would mean less than 1% of less than 0.1% - in other words 0.001% of the total volume (that's one in one hundred thousand). Quote:
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There are several ways to test for purity using NMR, and Gas chromatography.... I'm sure the research studies use these methods because most labs have them. In fact, I attended UCI where that study was carried out and there are several of those machines on campus, even open to the undergraduates! Quote:
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kitabz/gashin - thanks for the science lesson ![]() all of this comes from wanting to understand a: the downfalls of people being forced to make this stuff in their kitchens... which concerns me greatly and b: finding a better way to extract AND keep consistency in mg's as kitabz touched on... we were thinking of a fun experiment, basically taking tobacco and putting it into a no-nicotine base and then measuring the nicotine in it every day for x amount of time. brewing it kind of like you would whiskey. Quote:
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Well from my personal experience, I don't think it's the nicotine or lack thereof that makes a person edgy or angry. I think it's the other cr@p Big Tobacco puts in it to keep us coming back for more. When I was smoking 2-3 packs a day I would get downright p!ssy when I had to wait for a smoke. Then I got downright aggravated and then some. Now after stopping the analogs I can go for several hours between vaping and not have that experience. Yes I really want to vape but I no longer have homicial thoughts. LOL Just my unscientific conclusion.
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(I know you weren't suggesting we would... but I just feel I need to clarify for all of those reading along) | |
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