Pure nicotine? Where does the nicotine come from?

[webmania30]

Hi,
Can you send me the info on how to get pharmaceutical grade liquid nicotine by liter at ? Thank you, eve

[leathermonkey7]

Messing with pure nicotine is crazy unless you have a lab set up for it, with a Hazmat suit etc... It is available from china online, but who knows about the quality control, or what type of shipping/customs problems you might run into. For economical mixing of your own e juice, I would go here:
150 mg pg unlflavored high powered nic juice for mixing [150mg] - $40.00 : DFWvapor!, US Made E-liquid, E-Cigarettes and ecigs accessories

Its clean, pharma grade, and made in the USA. I've bought some and its wonderful.

[BadState]

Messing with pure nicotine is crazy unless you have a lab set up for it, with a Hazmat suit etc... It is available from china online, but who knows about the quality control, or what type of shipping/customs problems you might run into. For economical mixing of your own e juice, I would go here:
150 mg pg unlflavored high powered nic juice for mixing [150mg] - $40.00 : DFWvapor!, US Made E-liquid, E-Cigarettes and ecigs accessories

Its clean, pharma grade, and made in the USA. I've bought some and its wonderful.

How many milliliters is that?

[DVap]

It looks like 30 mL of 150 mg/mL for $40.00.

The seller very correctly communicates that this concentration (150 mg/mL) is not to be trifled with, and even insists on getting the buyer's phone number to contact the buyer to make doubly sure the buyer understands that this stuff can be dangerous undiluted.

In my opinion (I'm only a chemist), 100 mg/mL is about the highest nicotine level I would like to see available. I guess I won't criticize 150 mg/mL too badly, except to say, that's getting a bit over my "comfort level". I simply worry about escalation by vendors in order to stand out. Who is going to be first to offer 250 mg/mL? Then 500 mg/mL? It's a slippery-slope that might take us from 100 - 150 mg/mL offerings to these simply irresponsible 25 - 50% or higher levels being offered for sale.

I occasionally post calculations of the "cost effectiveness" of nicotine concentrates. This represents a far from complete "guide" and mostly reflects vendors with whom I have ample customer service experience.

In the case of DWF Vapor, you are getting 4.5 grams of nicotine for $40.00. You are paying $8.89/gram of nicotine.

Two of my personal favorite nicotine suppliers are Chris at myfreedomsmokes.com and Levy at xtremevaping.com. Both offer nicotine at up to 100 mg/mL.

Chris (myfreedomsmokes.com) will sell you 60 ml of 100 mg/mL for $73.95.
On a per gram basis, you are paying $12.32/gram.

Levy (xtremevaping.com) will sell you 60 mL of 100 mg/mL for $36.50.
On a per gram basis, you are paying $6.08/gram.

For another comparison, the highly pure and extensively tested Platinum Ice liquid from Totally Wicked goes at $44.99 for 30 mL of 54 mg/mL. On a per gram basis, you are paying $27.77/gram. (I include this liquid only because I consider it to be the single finest liquid purity and testing-wise that I have personally encountered).

So...

Cost per gram of nicotine present

xtremevaping @ $6.08/gram
DFWVapor @ $8.89/gram
myfreedomsmokes @ $12.32/gram
TW Platinum Ice @ $27.77/gram

xtremevaping is clearly the low-price leader here.

Another way to look at this is what would be the cost of making 15 mL (perhaps a 1 week supply) at a common inbetween concentration of 24 mg/mL?

Cost to produce 15 mL of 24 mg/mL e-liquid (Approx. 1 week supply). (nicotine cost only)

xtremevaping @ $2.19
DFWVapor @ $3.20
myfreedomsmokes @ $4.44
TW Platinum Ice @ $10.00

Assuming 15 mL will last one week, here's the breakdown versus smoking a pack/day of analogs at $5.00/pack ($35.00/week)

Cost versus analogs ($5/pack) at one pack/day

xtremevaping @ 6%
DFWVapor @ 9%
myfreedomsmokes @ 12%
TW Platinum Ice @ 28%

In all cases here (once you've written off the investment in batteries, attys, etc), vaping is clearly less expensive (not to mention being far less unhealthy for you) than smoking.

When comparing cost, I will note that I consider TW to be a long-established large-scale vendor. While their customer service and responsiveness is adequate, their size might preclude them from providing personal service to the degree that I've seen from some.

I consider myfreedomsmokes to be a long-established vendor with a solid reputation for extremely responsive and personal service.

I consider xtremevaping to be a more newly-established vendor that is quickly building a reputation for extremely responsive and personal service.

DFW Vapor looks very new, and time will tell as to their level of customer service satisfaction.

[jwquantrell]

Dvap, you rock. That is all I have to say.

[TropicalBob]

Dvap is the authority on this. Don't even think of messing with anything close to pure nicotine. Forget the whole notion or the wrath of God will crash down on e-smoking in a heartbeat: One dead e-smoking do-it-yourselfer and this game is over.

Compared to the alternative, e-liquid is cheap. There's just no good reason to want to make your own.

[DVap]

Thanks jw.

Bob.. absolutely. And if anyone still insists on messing with the pure stuff, there's always Kurt (also a chemist) to tell them how it is.

[OaklandCA]

Great answer DVAP can you get that nicotine supplier chart posted at the top of a thread (even make it sticky?)

[DVap]

Great answer DVAP can you get that nicotine supplier chart posted at the top of a thread (even make it sticky?)

I dunno if it's really sticky material since it's pretty specific to only a few suppliers. Main point might be that a little math can go a long way in evaluating value... but there's also more to value than price alone.

[deusXmchna]

Does dissolving nic base into PG (or VG- or possibly an easily removed low b.p. solvent) decrease, or increase stability (I imagine oxidation would be greatest threat).

Theoretically if one was going to try to lay in a supply of nic base before FDA takes control and tries to stamp it out- would the best long term storage plan be to mix up nic/PG (say in liters of 100mg/ml- and then break down from there as needed), or just mix nic into PG as needed? Meaning- do the solvents (or do ANY solvents) provide any protection from degradation? Or is this an unknown variable at this time?

Thnx