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stevoG · 09-09-2008, 08:58 AM

Insomnia o yea big time when attempting to quit real cigs. Im usually a very heavy sleeper and when quitting every tiny little noise and boom i was up the rest of the day. Couldnt go without sleep for very long. Oh and the constipation too lol

shesmokem · 09-10-2008, 02:42 AM

I had a call today, with someone asking me did I think that buying 36 mg. liquid would help re-create the "real smoking effect" that he missed...or was it over-kill. I'm no chemist, and I, as a 40 cig a day smoker, am also chasing "ciggy nirvana". Buy I think the "real smoking effect" is as much the tar and carcinogins, we chose to leave behind, as it was the Nicotine. I have "Hoof in Mouth", I love the act of smoking, which I all too readily replaced with pizza, and it's friends, burgers and hot dogs. But I think if we turn our attention from massive nicotine doses... which we weren't getting with real cigarettes anyway, and find a way, to recreate what the other carcinogins added to smoking, only in a healthier venue... we might quit OD'ing... and find the Holy Grail...Just a thought.

karenwest1961 · 09-10-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shesmokem

I had a call today, with someone asking me did I think that buying 36 mg. liquid would help re-create the "real smoking effect" that he missed...or was it over-kill. I'm no chemist, and I, as a 40 cig a day smoker, am also chasing "ciggy nirvana". Buy I think the "real smoking effect" is as much the tar and carcinogins, we chose to leave behind, as it was the Nicotine. I have "Hoof in Mouth", I love the act of smoking, which I all too readily replaced with pizza, and it's friends, burgers and hot dogs. But I think if we turn our attention from massive nicotine doses... which we weren't getting with real cigarettes anyway, and find a way, to recreate what the other carcinogins added to smoking, only in a healthier venue... we might quit OD'ing... and find the Holy Grail...Just a thought.

VERY interesting thought, girlfriend!

TropicalBob · 09-10-2008, 08:42 PM

We're gonna put you on the board of directors, shesmokem. Absolutely, something is missing -- and it's not quantity of nicotine. You want that, just go use a powerful snus product. You'll fall over drunk and still want a cigarette. If e-cig companies can find a way to truly replicate the feel and taste of cigarette smoking, they can capture a huge market share among quitters.

shesmokem · 09-12-2008, 03:25 AM

There are an incredibly bright people on this forum... things that are way over my head.Surely, someone in this braintrust could figure out, what might work. It's not just the "hit in the back of your throat", I have liquids that do that... but something's always missing. Even I'm guilty of taking 140 hits off my e-cig, where 12 on a cigarette sets me up for a while. Maybe add a little Valium and cut with.St. John's Wort (Just Kidding). I'm willing to donate the liquid to anyone in the US willing to try(within reason).

dc2k08 · 09-12-2008, 07:09 PM

your willing to donate st johns wort?? its funny, in my country they banned the over the counter sale of this natural herb based on advice by the board of medicines for "possible side-effect including fatigue and photosensitivity, and the possibility of the herb interacting with prescribed medicines"..what bollix. i never hear of my government being concerned about the contents of the food i eat until there is another outbreak of CSJ or foot n' mouth. what about the cancer causing junk they put in junk food. how is this legal? now it is only available by prescription. it is a useful herb and was used to self medicate for depression by many.

that said, i was incensed when i lived in the states and could not purchase cold sore ointment without first paying a doctor to allow me to. it worked out for me though as it led me to discover an entirely simple and natural remedy that works better than anything on the market...a slice of lemon.

Mamba · 09-12-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TropicalBob

We're gonna put you on the board of directors, shesmokem. Absolutely, something is missing -- and it's not quantity of nicotine. You want that, just go use a powerful snus product. You'll fall over drunk and still want a cigarette. If e-cig companies can find a way to truly replicate the feel and taste of cigarette smoking, they can capture a huge market share among quitters.

Focusing on nicotine only is reductionistic "science" at its best/worst. Tobacco contains harmala alkaloids that work synergystically with and balance nicotine and other constituents.

Any native shaman worth his salt can tell you more about tobacco than some Ph.D who is trying to analyze and separate a whole living organism into individual "drugs". You can't improve on nature, and until whole tobacco is refined and made safe to smoke/vaporize overindulgently then people will only get the unbalanced effects of the one alkaloid that the experts have told us is the "active" ingredient.

Tobacco smoke, beta-carboline alkaloids, and reversible MAO inhibition

Kate · 09-12-2008, 11:02 PM

The dizzy feeling smoking sometimes gives from lack of oxygen to the brain has a bit of a hit, I wonder if that's something that some people crave too.

Pepper · 09-21-2008, 09:45 PM

I'm the best quitter there is

Seriously though, I've never been a heavy heavy smoker, maybe 12 a day or 30 on a drunken night out (it always scared me how much I could smoke on a night out!). Anyway, after smoking for about 5 years I quit for 6 months, then started again (no need for nicotine there!). I've done this a few times, my most recent attempt was around 14 months of not smoking at all, then started again because I ended up working with a colleague that smokes and I used to smoke with him all the time. Old habits, die hard. So that was it, pulled back in and smoking again. Then I stumbled across the e-cig and haven't smoked a real cig since (barring a music festival where I didn't want to lose my brand new toy so resorted to real smokes, which tasted aweful until I got over the first few).

Anyway, not sure I have a point in there, but I think it's along the lines of "I really like the act of smoking, have quit for extended periods of time but repeatedly slip back into my olds ways because I like the experience". Or something.

Oh - and the reason I got into e-cigs? I hated the thought of what real smokes were doing to me, despite enjoying them so much.

Janet · 09-22-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate

The dizzy feeling smoking sometimes gives from lack of oxygen to the brain has a bit of a hit, I wonder if that's something that some people crave too.

I knew it, I knew it - that's the thing that's missing for me! - that little buzz I'd get with my first cigarette of the day. I want that back. Wish they'd sell some kind of special herbal essence or flavoring for that

.

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dc2k08 4mer 4um Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: .ie Posts: 1,815 Tweet this post!	your willing to donate st johns wort?? its funny, in my country they banned the over the counter sale of this natural herb based on advice by the board of medicines for "possible side-effect including fatigue and photosensitivity, and the possibility of the herb interacting with prescribed medicines"..what bollix. i never hear of my government being concerned about the contents of the food i eat until there is another outbreak of CSJ or foot n' mouth. what about the cancer causing junk they put in junk food. how is this legal? now it is only available by prescription. it is a useful herb and was used to self medicate for depression by many. that said, i was incensed when i lived in the states and could not purchase cold sore ointment without first paying a doctor to allow me to. it worked out for me though as it led me to discover an entirely simple and natural remedy that works better than anything on the market...a slice of lemon. __________________ E-cig News \| On Twitter \| On Reddit Last edited by dc2k08; 09-12-2008 at 07:19 PM.

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09-09-2008, 08:58 AM	#11
stevoG ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 112	Insomnia o yea big time when attempting to quit real cigs. Im usually a very heavy sleeper and when quitting every tiny little noise and boom i was up the rest of the day. Couldnt go without sleep for very long. Oh and the constipation too lol

09-10-2008, 02:42 AM	#12
shesmokem Supplier Join Date: May 2008 Location: Illinois Wisconsin Border Posts: 33	I had a call today, with someone asking me did I think that buying 36 mg. liquid would help re-create the "real smoking effect" that he missed...or was it over-kill. I'm no chemist, and I, as a 40 cig a day smoker, am also chasing "ciggy nirvana". Buy I think the "real smoking effect" is as much the tar and carcinogins, we chose to leave behind, as it was the Nicotine. I have "Hoof in Mouth", I love the act of smoking, which I all too readily replaced with pizza, and it's friends, burgers and hot dogs. But I think if we turn our attention from massive nicotine doses... which we weren't getting with real cigarettes anyway, and find a way, to recreate what the other carcinogins added to smoking, only in a healthier venue... we might quit OD'ing... and find the Holy Grail...Just a thought.

09-10-2008, 08:42 PM	#14
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	We're gonna put you on the board of directors, shesmokem. Absolutely, something is missing -- and it's not quantity of nicotine. You want that, just go use a powerful snus product. You'll fall over drunk and still want a cigarette. If e-cig companies can find a way to truly replicate the feel and taste of cigarette smoking, they can capture a huge market share among quitters.

09-12-2008, 03:25 AM	#15
shesmokem Supplier Join Date: May 2008 Location: Illinois Wisconsin Border Posts: 33	There are an incredibly bright people on this forum... things that are way over my head.Surely, someone in this braintrust could figure out, what might work. It's not just the "hit in the back of your throat", I have liquids that do that... but something's always missing. Even I'm guilty of taking 140 hits off my e-cig, where 12 on a cigarette sets me up for a while. Maybe add a little Valium and cut with.St. John's Wort (Just Kidding). I'm willing to donate the liquid to anyone in the US willing to try(within reason).

09-12-2008, 11:02 PM	#18
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,355	The dizzy feeling smoking sometimes gives from lack of oxygen to the brain has a bit of a hit, I wonder if that's something that some people crave too.

09-21-2008, 09:45 PM	#19
Pepper UK Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 132	I'm the best quitter there is Seriously though, I've never been a heavy heavy smoker, maybe 12 a day or 30 on a drunken night out (it always scared me how much I could smoke on a night out!). Anyway, after smoking for about 5 years I quit for 6 months, then started again (no need for nicotine there!). I've done this a few times, my most recent attempt was around 14 months of not smoking at all, then started again because I ended up working with a colleague that smokes and I used to smoke with him all the time. Old habits, die hard. So that was it, pulled back in and smoking again. Then I stumbled across the e-cig and haven't smoked a real cig since (barring a music festival where I didn't want to lose my brand new toy so resorted to real smokes, which tasted aweful until I got over the first few). Anyway, not sure I have a point in there, but I think it's along the lines of "I really like the act of smoking, have quit for extended periods of time but repeatedly slip back into my olds ways because I like the experience". Or something. Oh - and the reason I got into e-cigs? I hated the thought of what real smokes were doing to me, despite enjoying them so much.