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Old 06-30-2009, 06:36 AM   #51
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Bones, it is 1500-2000 ng/ml of cotinine as per test standard.
LOL - yea I just caught that and edited it -
I missed the NG/MG switch-over -
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:57 AM   #52
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So what will her test mean to you, bones. Please explain. How about you, K51? What will her test mean to you?
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:24 AM   #53
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So what will her test mean to you, bones. Please explain. How about you, K51? What will her test mean to you?
Kreel, When I smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day, had I taken the TobacAlert test, it would have shown that the by-product of nicotine = Cotinine in my urine would have measured as I stated from 1500-2000ng/ml.
Now that I am vaping, I do not know what the measure of cotinine in my urine is. I want to know, is vaping "cleaner" in all aspects, or am I fooling myself. We also know from The Ruyan tests which Kate The Order of the Wholey Technofoggers posted on ECF a few months ago, that the nicotine (or for purposes of keeping consistant with the test) cotinine level should be about 1/10th the amount of cigarette smoking.
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That is what I am going to try to verify for my own satisfaction. If anyone is interested in those results, I would be happy to post the result, even though it is quite personal . This will be my result. But if the result is consistant with the Ruyan test, I think that would be a really good piece of information. Whether you agree or disagree with that theory is not relevant to me, however the test result would be highly valuable to a person like me who wants to find useful information that I can verify for myself and feel as though this whole ordeal has been worth the trouble and criticism.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:28 AM   #54
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So what will her test mean to you, bones. Please explain.
Nothing - It's not my test - I just happened upon it and was curious -The point is that it means something to HER -
That's HER body and HER business -

The other point is this - You Sir - are RUDE!

Now you are trying to start with me? How about not coming here if it bothers you? - You feel it is your place to tell her she is wrong to want to do it? - The only reason you seem to be here is to hassle her about HER test - Do you have nothing better to do? -

Oh! Wait - West Texas? - No - I guess not! There is nothing to do there!

Let me give you one bit of advice - Do not start with me - say you are sorry for being so rude and move on -
No - matter of fact - JUST MOVE ON - and treat people with a little respect - a thing that you are fast losing from me -
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:38 AM   #55
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So what will her test mean to you, bones. Please explain. How about you, K51? What will her test mean to you?

K51 = Kate51 = it is HER! You can't even keep up with who you are hassling
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I think it's great and can't wait to hear the results, but are you saying, Kate, that you got the 1500-2000 figure from the NZ study or from the test instructions or where? I'd love it if you wanted to smoke analogues and test that, too, but I know that's out.
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I think it's great and can't wait to hear the results, but are you saying, Kate, that you got the 1500-2000 figure from the NZ study or from the test instructions or where? I'd love it if you wanted to smoke analogues and test that, too, but I know that's out.
No, that figure came from a cotinine research paper, cotinine being the by-product of nicotine abosorbtion through the kidneys, where 1 pack of cigarettes (full flavor) would give you a cotinine in urine test result of 1000ng/ml. using a test for example the TobacAlert, which measures cotinine levels in urine.
Since adding more cigarettes does not follow a linear path, for instance 2 packs would=2000ng/ml, it is instead approximately 1500ng/ml, so three packs approx 2000ng/ml cotinine. That is known from testing. I want to know the cotinine level from nicotine in vapor form. From the Ruyan testing of plasma (blood) the level would be about 1/10th the amount absorbed from cigarettes. I have been vaping a consistant amount for a few weeks, I think now would be a good time to test to see if it is indeed around that level, 1/10th that of smoking. Which I think would be really nice if I knew I was on 1/10th the nicotine I was ingesting before while smoking tobacco. If it is more, to adjust my intake I would have to lower the mg/ml nicotine density of my juice. The fact that I stopped smoking right away with the e-cig would suggest I am getting more nicotine than that. But that's the question I want answered, just FMI
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Nothing - It's not my test - I just happened upon it and was curious -The point is that it means something to HER -
That's HER body and HER business -

The other point is this - You Sir - are RUDE!

Now you are trying to start with me? How about not coming here if it bothers you? - You feel it is your place to tell her she is wrong to want to do it? - The only reason you seem to be here is to hassle her about HER test - Do you have nothing better to do? -

Oh! Wait - West Texas? - No - I guess not! There is nothing to do there!

Let me give you one bit of advice - Do not start with me - say you are sorry for being so rude and move on -
No - matter of fact - JUST MOVE ON - and treat people with a little respect - a thing that you are fast losing from me -
So the 'test' is merely a circus act. You are only curious. Interesting.
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So the 'test' is merely a circus act. You are only curious. Interesting.
A circus act? Only curious?

Without curiosity people wouldn't strive to learn, or reach into the 'unknown' to widen their world. Without curiosity most advances in all fields would never happen. Only a closed mind would mock curiosity.

Bones is right - you are rude.
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Okay, now I understand. I wasn't sure if you had explained where the info came from and I missed it or what. This should be interesting because even though I got my first e-cig basically just to keep from fighting with ashes and such while I'm working on the computer, I ended up smoking this all the time by accident (basically the very first day). I wasn't necessarily planning to quit smoking. My first thought would have been that I'm getting far more nicotine than before, but at this point I really don't think that's true. Now if someone could just figure out why it was so easy to switch...
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