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Kate · 10-10-2008, 07:20 PM

As far as I know the amount of nicotine taken in from cigarettes is usually 0.8, 1 or 1.2 mg per cig. Taking an average of 1mg nic per cig that means that 1ml of 36mg juice equals 36 cigs worth.

I have the impression that many people vapourise about 2ml of eliquid per day.

That means that if they use 36mg juice they are getting the equivalent of 72 cigs worth of nic per day.
With 24mg juice it would be the same as 48 cigs.
With 18mg juice it would be 36
With 16mg juice it would be 32
With 9mg juice it would be 18
With 7mg juice it would be 14 cigs worth per day.

Are we at risk of increasing our tolerance of nicotine without realising how much we are dosing ourselves?

One thing we don't know though is how much nicotine is absorbed from vapour. We don't know if more, less or the same amounts enter our blood stream as with cigarette smoke.

Do you know how many ml of juice you vapourise per day?

SmokingInTexas · 10-10-2008, 10:39 PM

I drip a generic pen (no carts). I been using about 2.5ml to 3.0ml a day (18mg). I used to smoke a little over a pack a day of full flavor, AND, I feel that I am getting more nicotine than I need (or was used to).

If I could train myself to not puff on the thing so much I'd be OK(better). I'm actually going to go down a level on the next juice I use. I suspect "MY" equivalent would be about 2ml a day. I've also experimented a little with cutting the juice with VG, but it makes the marlboro juice a little too sweet. Still playing though.

So your numbers sound about right in my opinion/estimation.

Kate · 10-10-2008, 10:53 PM

Well, I'm just making guesses based on piecing together bits of information I've come across. I do have a feeling that esmoking gives us more nicotine than we usually give it credit for. Some seasoned smokers have reported overdose symptoms and I've had some myself so I know vapour can be potent.

Nicotine isn't really very good for health as far as we know although it's possible that a low dose could have benefits. It worries me that we are getting used to delivering higher levels of something toxic when we might have a fight ahead to justify the use of nicotine at all.

I really have no idea how much juice I use in a day. I swap flavours frequently so I'm using different bottles. I vape pretty much constantly so I guess it's a lot. To compensate for quantity I try to use less potent levels usually. I'm not going to try to cut nicotine out entirely because I believe it can have benefits but I'm going to maintain a level, low dose when I get organised with my eliquid.

Ruby · 10-10-2008, 11:06 PM

Kate that made me think!!!

I reckon I overshoot on nic. I never calculate my top ups - I just do it on auto. Like you I vape constantly . Think I will now mix up a hefty vg cut & go for much lower dose nic (I like the sweetish taste) and start watching my intake closely.

Kate · 10-10-2008, 11:13 PM

It shocked me a bit when I started thinking about it Ruby, it wasn't something I had taken very seriously. I think we become accustomed to higher doses fairly quickly and get fewer symptoms that we're getting more than enough.

DeviLFisH · 10-11-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kate

Well, I'm just making guesses based on piecing together bits of information I've come across. I do have a feeling that esmoking gives us more nicotine than we usually give it credit for. Some seasoned smokers have reported overdose symptoms and I've had some myself so I know vapour can be potent.

Nicotine isn't really very good for health as far as we know although it's possible that a low dose could have benefits. It worries me that we are getting used to delivering higher levels of something toxic when we might have a fight ahead to justify the use of nicotine at all.

I really have no idea how much juice I use in a day. I swap flavours frequently so I'm using different bottles. I vape pretty much constantly so I guess it's a lot. To compensate for quantity I try to use less potent levels usually. I'm not going to try to cut nicotine out entirely because I believe it can have benefits but I'm going to maintain a level, low dose when I get organised with my eliquid.

maybe I keep e puff constant, that why
ya I also feel we "might" addicted to more nicotine?

last time as I mention I used to smoke low mg and nicotine
now smoking a higher tar and higher nicotine brand of real cig

for me I use e cig as an alternative to smoke beside real cig.

leaford · 10-11-2008, 08:54 AM

That's why I mostly use medium or low in my main e-cig for most of my puffing with high in a second e-cig for occasional high dose puffs.

doggsie · 10-11-2008, 10:08 AM

Kate i think you have hit it on the head, i am brand new to ecigs, i mean brand new like last night proper and i think the heady feeling i'm getting from MLB cart with JB is very likely a nic OD, so i only got 12 packs of carts to get through on high and i think i will have to downgrade.

Kate · 10-11-2008, 02:36 PM

Doggsie, welcome to the forum.

If you are concerned about getting used to a high dose you could consider squeezing the juice out of the cartridges you have and dilute the juice with lower or zero nic juice or glycerine. There's a diy eliquid board on the forum if you want to look into it a bit more.

Soot · 10-15-2008, 01:44 AM

Kate linked me to this thread and I'm wondering if you've hit on a potential problem or whether those other chemicals burnt in a cigarette have a limiting factor that is more important in determining how much we smoke.

I've just checked my cupboard where I've assorted NRT therapies that haven't worked for me. The Nicorette Inhalator has 10mg nic. per cartridge. The dosage advice is that 6 - 12 cartridges can be used "as required". This puts the max dose at 120mg (excluding nic. lost due to evaporation occurring between use).

I expect the Nicorette Inhalator has gone through more rigorous testing than the small scale operations of e-cig providers have been able to do. Yet, a max does of 120mg seems a very heavy daily dose.

I'm not for a moment suggesting that care shouldn't be taken to avoid nic. poisoning. Ironically, the times I've experienced the symptoms of nic. overdose have all been when on NRT.

It would appear though that the NRT therapy aimed at reducing or stopping smoking accepts a very high level of nic. entering your system daily. Your average 20 a day Marlboro smoker might take in 20-30mg nic. a day (between "Lights" and "Red"). The Inhalator dose of 6 cartridges will be more than double that dose.

My Grand-da smoked non-filtered, lived to 84, drank whiskey with a pint of bottled Guinness on a night out, had yellow fingers - but even he would never have reached a 120mg daily dose.

I'm just posting this as food for thought.

10-10-2008, 07:20 PM	#1
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,355	Eliquid potency As far as I know the amount of nicotine taken in from cigarettes is usually 0.8, 1 or 1.2 mg per cig. Taking an average of 1mg nic per cig that means that 1ml of 36mg juice equals 36 cigs worth. I have the impression that many people vapourise about 2ml of eliquid per day. That means that if they use 36mg juice they are getting the equivalent of 72 cigs worth of nic per day. With 24mg juice it would be the same as 48 cigs. With 18mg juice it would be 36 With 16mg juice it would be 32 With 9mg juice it would be 18 With 7mg juice it would be 14 cigs worth per day. Are we at risk of increasing our tolerance of nicotine without realising how much we are dosing ourselves? One thing we don't know though is how much nicotine is absorbed from vapour. We don't know if more, less or the same amounts enter our blood stream as with cigarette smoke. Do you know how many ml of juice you vapourise per day?

10-10-2008, 10:39 PM	#2
SmokingInTexas ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 229	I drip a generic pen (no carts). I been using about 2.5ml to 3.0ml a day (18mg). I used to smoke a little over a pack a day of full flavor, AND, I feel that I am getting more nicotine than I need (or was used to). If I could train myself to not puff on the thing so much I'd be OK(better). I'm actually going to go down a level on the next juice I use. I suspect "MY" equivalent would be about 2ml a day. I've also experimented a little with cutting the juice with VG, but it makes the marlboro juice a little too sweet. Still playing though. So your numbers sound about right in my opinion/estimation. __________________ Tex [ I used to be very indecisive, but now...I'm not so sure.]

10-10-2008, 11:06 PM	#4
Ruby ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 152	Kate that made me think!!! I reckon I overshoot on nic. I never calculate my top ups - I just do it on auto. Like you I vape constantly . Think I will now mix up a hefty vg cut & go for much lower dose nic (I like the sweetish taste) and start watching my intake closely. Last edited by Ruby; 10-10-2008 at 11:09 PM.

10-11-2008, 08:54 AM	#7
leaford Supplier/ECF Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 3,026 Blog Entries: 4	That's why I mostly use medium or low in my main e-cig for most of my puffing with high in a second e-cig for occasional high dose puffs. __________________ New VP of Product Development at www.Vapor4Life.com, author of E-Cigarette Review and Advice Blog www.E-Smoker-Forever.com, and creator of The Leaford Lanyard. Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. – Carl Sagan, 1934 – 1996

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10-10-2008, 10:53 PM	#3
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,355	Well, I'm just making guesses based on piecing together bits of information I've come across. I do have a feeling that esmoking gives us more nicotine than we usually give it credit for. Some seasoned smokers have reported overdose symptoms and I've had some myself so I know vapour can be potent. Nicotine isn't really very good for health as far as we know although it's possible that a low dose could have benefits. It worries me that we are getting used to delivering higher levels of something toxic when we might have a fight ahead to justify the use of nicotine at all. I really have no idea how much juice I use in a day. I swap flavours frequently so I'm using different bottles. I vape pretty much constantly so I guess it's a lot. To compensate for quantity I try to use less potent levels usually. I'm not going to try to cut nicotine out entirely because I believe it can have benefits but I'm going to maintain a level, low dose when I get organised with my eliquid.

10-10-2008, 11:13 PM	#5
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,355	It shocked me a bit when I started thinking about it Ruby, it wasn't something I had taken very seriously. I think we become accustomed to higher doses fairly quickly and get fewer symptoms that we're getting more than enough.

10-11-2008, 10:08 AM	#8
doggsie Full Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Merseyside UK Posts: 64	Kate i think you have hit it on the head, i am brand new to ecigs, i mean brand new like last night proper and i think the heady feeling i'm getting from MLB cart with JB is very likely a nic OD, so i only got 12 packs of carts to get through on high and i think i will have to downgrade.

10-11-2008, 02:36 PM	#9
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,355	Doggsie, welcome to the forum. If you are concerned about getting used to a high dose you could consider squeezing the juice out of the cartridges you have and dilute the juice with lower or zero nic juice or glycerine. There's a diy eliquid board on the forum if you want to look into it a bit more.

10-15-2008, 01:44 AM	#10
Soot Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 317	Kate linked me to this thread and I'm wondering if you've hit on a potential problem or whether those other chemicals burnt in a cigarette have a limiting factor that is more important in determining how much we smoke. I've just checked my cupboard where I've assorted NRT therapies that haven't worked for me. The Nicorette Inhalator has 10mg nic. per cartridge. The dosage advice is that 6 - 12 cartridges can be used "as required". This puts the max dose at 120mg (excluding nic. lost due to evaporation occurring between use). I expect the Nicorette Inhalator has gone through more rigorous testing than the small scale operations of e-cig providers have been able to do. Yet, a max does of 120mg seems a very heavy daily dose. I'm not for a moment suggesting that care shouldn't be taken to avoid nic. poisoning. Ironically, the times I've experienced the symptoms of nic. overdose have all been when on NRT. It would appear though that the NRT therapy aimed at reducing or stopping smoking accepts a very high level of nic. entering your system daily. Your average 20 a day Marlboro smoker might take in 20-30mg nic. a day (between "Lights" and "Red"). The Inhalator dose of 6 cartridges will be more than double that dose. My Grand-da smoked non-filtered, lived to 84, drank whiskey with a pint of bottled Guinness on a night out, had yellow fingers - but even he would never have reached a 120mg daily dose. I'm just posting this as food for thought.