Nicotine measurements

**freddo** · 11-20-2008, 08:03 PM

lolll i am a very light vaper, i only smoke about 8 drops max a day of low nic, i am shocked when i hear people smoke more than twice as much of the 36mg stuff. Can't be good for them. I really don't think half the e-smokers know how much they are getting, it should be made very clear by every supplier.

**TropicalBob** · 11-20-2008, 08:06 PM

Skeptah, go to this URL and read this. It answers all your questions from a clinical trial. These are important questions, to be sure, and they are NOT unknowns.

http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

**skeptah** · 11-20-2008, 08:06 PM

One more thing -- the reason why the 98% figure is shocking:

Common logic would tell me that the surface area of your lungs cant possibly process the total volume of vapor inhaled in such a short period of time.

**skeptah** · 11-20-2008, 08:07 PM

Thanks for the link, TB

**skeptah** · 11-20-2008, 08:26 PM

Just paged through the report. A couple of things to question:

- This was funded by Ruyan.
- the 98% absorption figure is refers to a research report done specifically on PG and not on nicotine.

The problem with this is the report they are referring to, which is a toxicology report on PG. Did they really test nic absorption in this report which is solely focused on PG? Does that 98% figure actually mean the absorption rate of PG and not nicotine?

Can anyone get their hands on the report?

Anonymous. Final Report on teh Safety Assessment of Propylene Glycol and Polypropylene Glycols J Am College of Toxicology. 1994; 13: 437-491. Final Draft

**Kate** · 11-20-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Shining Wit

I am genuinely astonished that you go through so much in 5 minutes. I gathered that there are some heavy smokers on here but maybe we should set up a branch of Nicotine anonymous?
John.

Is two drops in five minutes a lot? Maybe the Kissbox atomiser I usually use is more efficient than your device?

I stopped vaping 36 neat when I got palpitations, it's very potent stuff. Some people say they vape 3ml of that a day ... that's 108mg!

Originally Posted by skeptah

98% absorption rate is pretty shocking. any comments?

One thing I also want to confirm is the e-liquid potency. I personally have no reason to question some of the outstanding suppliers such as Cash and JC, but I'm sure we can rest assured that we have a 3rd party confirmation of their advertised potency levels.

I see a big opportunity for myself and others to kick (or at the very least, control) nicotine addiction by slowly tapering down our dosages. In order to do this, we need to confirm a couple of things:

1. True E-liquid potency levels
2. True (or at least 90% of the time) Nic Absorption from vapor

Quitting would only be possible if we can properly measure our intake. Any thoughts?

Without expensive lab tests to check potency levels we are kind of stuck with having to take the manufacturers word for it. Don't expect tests soon, not much is quality assured with eliquid.

Some people have had overdose symptoms so we are definitely getting nicotine, how accurate the dose is we have to guess.

Quitting is possible for both cigs and nicotine without being certain about nic levels, it's just not as scientific when measuring doses and decreasing to zero. Many do give up cigs and some go down to zero nic.

You seem to be misreading that New Zealand report. Some of it mentions propylene glycol and external tests but the full report is about Ruyan cartridge eliquid with and without nicotine.

**skeptah** · 11-20-2008, 08:59 PM

Understand that theres a human element to quitting called will..which is derived from a spectrum of sources -- mine would be resting on a more scientific foundation.

It would be silly to compare ...... addiction to nicotine addiction. But I like the model they use to treat ...... addiction. Switch to a harmless, non-narcotic, monitor carefully as you taper off. I never tried ...... btw so rest assured.

I'm sure some people differ..that's totally cool. I'm just weird like this.

CW

**Kate** · 11-20-2008, 09:07 PM

Well, like you I like certainty in what I'm taking. Unfortunately there isn't much of it in an unregulated product such as eliquid at the moment. The only one that has produced lab tests is the Wicked range from Pillbox, that's probably pretty reliable.

Don't forget that nicotine is relatively one of the less harmful ingredients in tobacco so quitting smoking is a good start. Good luck with it.