So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Obviously where there's a will...........

[olderthandirt]

And an open door

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It's dawning on me what a creative and fun loving bunch of goons we are .

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Just PMed IANAN. Hope to hear back soon .

[olderthandirt]

Been pondering Vaporers thoughts regarding the flavor aspect of the vaping experience.

The WTA to me was too sweet, sickly sweet. So yes, I did not look forward to vaping it after the 3rd day.

Entirely possible this influenced my perceptions of WTA's efficacy in filling the void...

I can vape unflavored and nothing else for several days uninterrupted and enjoy it.

I'm a loser

[Stubby]

Through forum discussion WTA is now coming around. "Whats left in an analog we arent getting since we know we are getting the nic? MAOI's............and a more rapid effect.
The effect time we cant do much about, so far , due to the base of PG/VG. At least thats what we speculate so far. We might need more ethanol in our mix if it could get past the atty and carrying the stuff we need. Nic or MAOI.

Might be your "normal chemistry" is low on MAIO and you were a heavy smoker getting rapid deployment of it needing it more than the nic. If so, now you would need high MAOI and the faster the better. Good thing is, it hangs in longer than nic (bloodstream 1/2 life) so you can accumulate. But it should taste good in delivery so you want to get it by that method.

A few comments on the rapid effect factor (speed of delivery). To bring you up to speed I'm one of those that quit vaping after starting snus.

It took awhile to get used to the slow uptake of nicotine+ (hey, I'll make believe I'm a scientist and call it N+) of snus. The first months I really craved that quick hit. It got less and less as time went on and now I prefer the slow steady uptake method. I still occasionally get a craving for that quick hit but it's fairly easy to get over.

For me I adjusted. It just takes a bit of time for the system to get used to it. I don't think the quick hit part of it is nearly as important as getting the N+ part of it. Once you're getting it you will likely adjust to the method of delivery.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Been pondering Vaporers thoughts regarding the flavor aspect of the vaping experience.

The WTA to me was too sweet, sickly sweet. So yes, I did not look forward to vaping it after the 3rd day.

Entirely possible this influenced my perceptions of WTA's efficacy in filling the void...

OTD, I agree with the sweetness of the #2 batch of WTA. Didn't really bother me unless I got some in my mouth...yuck . I did aquire a little leftover #2 from DVap and took 6ml, added 1ml of 75mg to boost to 36.43mg/ml and found good overall satisfaction with the vape and toned down the sweetness enough to be almost unnoticeable. Still tastes bad in the pie hole, though .

A few comments on the rabid effect factor (speed of delivery). To bring you up to speed I'm one of those that quit vaping after starting snus.

It took awhile to get used to the slow uptake of nicotine+ (hey, I'll make believe I'm a scientist and call it N+) of snus. The first months I really craved that quick hit. It got less and less as time went on and now I prefer the slow steady uptake method. I still occasionally get a craving for that quick hit but it's fairly easy to get over .

For me I adjusted. It just takes a bit of time for the system to get used to it. I don't think the quick hit part of it is nearly as important as getting the N+ part of it. Once you're getting it you will likely adjust to the method of delivery.

Ah, that's how I hope to be .

[a2dcovert]

Well ,ok it looks like my flavor correlation was a bust.

So, I gather you guys are doing snus and vaping. Not, vaping snus? I'm just trying to get caught up. Wanting to do an extra of my own.

[olderthandirt]

Hiya A2D
Stubby, ya write like a scientist!
I'm pretty much the same place Stubby is, holding steady and doing amazingly well.
I do not vape the snus, I use it orally. I use 4 to 5 portions of 8mg snus in a day now. My liquid usage has gone from 3 to 4ml to less than 1ml a day.

Huge change from what had been my norm prior to the snus!

I take the occasional pinch of snuff as well but I use so little I couldn't even guess the actual amount.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Well ,ok it looks like my flavor correlation was a bust.

So, I gather you guys are doing snus and vaping. Not, vaping snus? I'm just trying to get caught up. Wanting to do an extra of my own.

Well, a2d, I haven't tried the snus vape, yet. I kinda got sidetracked when DVap said he was investigating a home brew for us non-chemists. I think that holds more potential for an effective WTA. Hope we get the verdict soon, but this coming weekend's wedding bells are probably ringing loudly in his ears about now . Can't blame him for that. Currently, I've started using snus to get the goods I need. Works pretty well at keeping in my regular state of mind and seems to make vaping more satisfying as well. Never thought I'd ever use smokeless tobacco, ever, but the snus mini portions allow me to stick one in and forget about it. Just soak up the nic and alkaloids, vape when desire. No need to spit, either. That was the final selling point for me . Hope this helps .