So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[Vaporer]

TV, had to do some back reading. Son had a ballgame tonight and I threw that post in and left.
How'd the Thunder Frosted do? It's one if not my favorite. I can keep a portion in for a couple hrs and really reduce my cravings and vaping.
Did you have any similar or good results from it? Hope so.
My latest order included General mini( forgot to make sure it was mint) A drop of Loranns peppermint or wintergreen, orange on a portion will fix the 5 roll till I finish them. Also got one container of Nick & Johnny, Goetenburg Rape, and Ettan.
Havent gotten to all them yet, but they seem to be popular. N & J was in the snus soak section for a decent flavor too for vaping. I'm sure I'll have to test it and the Ettan for a flavor soak. I have a good supply of flavorless high nic stocked. The snus I tried in the previous posting was Camel.....yawn......all I had at the time.

To stay on topic, all the Swedish stuff seems to give a decent WTA representation so far.
The Rape isnt a flavor I'd order again, it does get tolerable with usage though.

[kinabaloo]

As much as I like Ettan for its natural tobacco flavor, I'd start with the Wise Citrus&Menthol. It's half the nicotine strength of Ettan and far more pleasant tasting.

Some on top row indeed smell -- and taste -- disgusting. Some people swear they come to love these. As for me, my nose is located where it is so I can smell when something is putrid and shouldn't be placed in my mouth. These snus fit that category. They can cause a gag response.

Wet snus reminds me of reusing a snus someone else has used. I use dry ones 95% of the time.

Stark might be too strong for you. I no longer think "more is better". I got my 17mg Oden's Kanal yesterday and it's disgusting and sickening at the same time. I could tolerate it no more than about 15 minutes. After that, I would have been drunk on nicotine -- a most unpleasant feeling.

BTW, Kin: That silly "the guns are coming out" rant was uncalled for. Way below the standards I've come to expect from you. DVap knows his stuff. Do you?

The 'no way, no how, never' statement was and is ridiculous. This after just two days and no figures (for a standard VG / alcohol soak for 12 hours).

For some reason, it was the attempt to shoot down kill off the idea of using tobacco for e-liquid. That's an accurate description. Draw your own conclusions.

[olderthandirt]

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Doesn't really give much detail except that they're using eliquid to study smoking cessation. Wonder how long they'll track participants...1 month...3...6...1 year? I'd assume there's no other nicotine products allowed.

Just read the thread over there. Interesting for sure. Still in the design stage, the initial intent is a 12 week trial with 3 groups, cold turky, "recognized" NRT's and PV's.

I put in my 2 bits for em consider or not.

TV, how are you enjoying the snus?

...My latest order included General mini( forgot to make sure it was mint) A drop of Loranns peppermint or wintergreen, orange on a portion will fix the 5 roll till I finish them. Also got one container of Nick & Johnny, Goetenburg Rape, and Ettan.
Havent gotten to all them yet, but they seem to be popular. N & J was in the snus soak section for a decent flavor too for vaping. I'm sure I'll have to test it and the Ettan for a flavor soak...
The Rape isnt a flavor I'd order again, it does get tolerable with usage though.

Agree on the Rape Vaporer, yeecchhh!
Which N&J did you get? I really like the N&J Black. It's the strongest per portion snus that I've found that I enjoy the taste of. Ettan is a great all day snus, mild flavor.

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I don't know what's up with OTD. Not only is his avatar gone, his whole profile seems to deep sixed. So, what's up OTD?

Nothing more than a couple of days of hellish mood swings in the waaay down direction. Life events are conspiring against what little self esteem I have left.

Prompts the desire for the return to the womb.
Or a serious session with the 48mg.

Mommmmyyyyyyyy .........

[DVap]

The 'no way, no how, never' statement was and is ridiculous. This after just two days and no figures (for a standard VG / alcohol soak for 12 hours).

For some reason, it was the attempt to shoot down kill off the idea of using tobacco for e-liquid. That's an accurate description. Draw your own conclusions.

As long as that reason doesn't involve me somehow at the controls of a black helicopter or some nefarious motive, then it is an accurate description. Ridiculous? Been called worse, I call 'em according to observation. Hopefully we'll call off the pissing match and dissect soaks scientifically to try to fill the space between what we'd like to do with them and what we're currently able to do with them.

If standard soaks don't work (or in my more critical view, can't work), the solution then has to be a non-standard soak... simply something we've all not thought of yet.

The factors that line up against standard soaks are:

- Dilution

If we consider a cigarette to be a "dose" of WTA (actually 10 doses due to the lousy delivery efficiency of burning tobacco), how can we get those doses into dose sized liquid quantities? We might have 15 mg of nicotine and tobacco alkaloids in 1 gram of tobacco, and if we can get it all out, and we want 30 mg/mL, our solvent volume is defined rigidly at 0.5 mL. It's difficult to envision a soak that doesn't involve some kind of concentration step.

- Matrix

Time is the friend of a nicotine/alkaloid extraction, but it is also the friend of atty-killing gunk.

I'll just say it: The box everyone seems to be stuck in is simply this: The solvents such as water, PG, VG, alcohol... they're all polar.

Think non-standard, think non-polar.

[olderthandirt]

...Hopefully we'll call off the pissing match and dissect soaks scientifically to try to fill the space between what we'd like to do with them and what we're currently able to do with them.

Amen to that! PLEASE!

If standard soaks don't work (or in my more critical view, can't work), the solution then has to be a non-standard soak... simply something we've all not thought of yet.

The factors that line up against standard soaks are:

- Dilution

If we consider a cigarette to be a "dose" of WTA (actually 10 doses due to the lousy delivery efficiency of burning tobacco), how can we get those doses into dose sized liquid quantities? We might have 15 mg of nicotine and tobacco alkaloids in 1 gram of tobacco, and if we can get it all out, and we want 30 mg/mL, our solvent volume is ...

Hmmm, ya know DVap that's sounding a lot like chemistry talk.

And it is Saturday...

Honeymoon, Saturday night, couch...

[DVap]

Hmmm, ya know DVap that's sounding a lot like chemistry talk.

And it is Saturday...

Honeymoon, Saturday night, couch...

Relax, I know what I'm doing!

[he has no idea what he's doing]

[olderthandirt]

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[he has no idea what he's doing]

And that ^, can be the fun part of the whole marriage thing!

Once again, congratulations and all the best to you and yours DVap!

[TWISTED VICTOR]

How'd the Thunder Frosted do? It's one if not my favorite. I can keep a portion in for a couple hrs and really reduce my cravings and vaping.
Did you have any similar or good results from it? Hope so.

The Thunder Frosted mini seem to be a success, so far. Taste isn't potent,.. pleasant, actually, and mild. I experience a bit of a burning sensation when I first put it in, but that would be my only "complaint". Definitely on the reorder list. And vaping is reduced quite a bit. Over the last 24 hrs. I've felt much freer and the obsession is more like a recreation .

Agree on the Rape Vaporer, yeecchhh!
Which N&J did you get? I really like the N&J Black. It's the strongest per portion snus that I've found that I enjoy the taste of. Ettan is a great all day snus, mild flavor.

Noted the Rape, OTD, thanks for the warning. I don't really like the General White portions. The lemon/pepper seems a popular one, but doesn't set well with me, so far. I'll give it a go later on and see if I can adjust. I would like to get something more potent, though... Getsnus sent me a "menu" with my order, so hopefully that'll help..Looks like the N&J Black isn't going to be to my liking, either.

Nothing more than a couple of days of hellish mood swings in the waaay down direction. Life events are conspiring against what little self esteem I have left.

Prompts the desire for the return to the womb.
Or a serious session with the 48mg.

Mommmmyyyyyyyy .........

Self esteem was replaced by extreme humility in my case . Self worth...? I have many days I just can't seem to find any, but if nothing else, my wife still needs me as well as the kids, grandkids, and all those who continued to love me despite my behavior. Glad to see your "mug" back up, Friend. Just hasn't been the same, lately .

If standard soaks don't work (or in my more critical view, can't work), the solution then has to be a non-standard soak... simply something we've all not thought of yet.
Think non-standard, think non-polar.

Being a non-standard, non-polar kind of guy, this is how I feel, too. We know it's in there . It may be that it's only available in usable amounts through processes similar to the "cauldron/broomstick" DVap method, but if a snus can deliver......there's another key to the lock, somewhere around here .

[TWISTED VICTOR]

And that ^, can be the fun part of the whole marriage thing!

Once again, congratulations and all the best to you and yours DVap!

Ditto, go live on love for a while...........Got a few drops of WTA left for a toast....Cheers!!

[olderthandirt]

...experience a bit of a burning sensation when I first put it in,...
And vaping is reduced quite a bit. Over the last 24 hrs. I've felt much freer and the obsession is more like a recreation .

...I don't really like the General White portions. The lemon/pepper seems a popular one, but doesn't set well with me, so far. ...
I would like to get something more potent, though...
Looks like the N&J Black isn't going to be to my liking, either.
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Those Thunder Mini's are supposed to be 8mg portions, good trick for a mini. The burning is probably the salt and true to what others told me, you won't notice that in due course.

From what I've read as well as personally tried, General is a good across the board representation of "traditional" Swedish snus flavor.

As for something stronger, well, get the attention of isande or Stubby or bardic druid, to name just a few, and they'll probably be able to suggest some others to try out based on what you've already tried.