Sunset: The main man with Discreet is Tom O'Connell. Shoot him an email -- he won't mind and will answer you -- and ask any question you would like. I've worked with him for months now. He's reachable at tomttnb@yahoo.com
I'm getting the document printed in color tomorrow. It's really impressive and potentially of great use for those of us using alternative products.
Very nice condensed source of alternative-tobacco info TB.
Things & Devices in there I didn't even know existed, some are very strange.
Almost a 'history' of strange thing people will create (failed & still alive), given a market demand.
Certainly good info on the relative amount of TSNAs in different snus &
other things.
Well, poop, TB! This computer at work won't let me access the file.... I'll have to do it when I'm at home (almost never). Catscratch!!! Guess I might as well work, since I'm here anyway
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Well TBob I just finished going through the whole pdf.
Interesting for sure.
Marlboro Nicotini cracked me up
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Really informative, TB, enjoyed reading. Just wish that harm reduction was a more popular philosophy!
I will look through the rest of this thread over time, but wanted to respond to these two points now.
Strange, because I've never experienced this from going cold-turkey from nicotine, only from ingesting more than I usually do.Originally Posted by TWISTED VICTOR
This I don't doubt, as this is one of the common symptoms of depression (losing interest in things which once gave you pleasure). However, other than this slight lack of motivation, I feel I've actually gotten a mood LIFT overall, so I think the stimulant effect (and accompanying euphoria, although slight) actually overpowers the depressant effect of the withdrawal from the other alkaloids, because overall I feel like I'm in a better mood and happier after having switched. Also, having never been to rehab, I don't expect to end up back there, especially since I'm not having any desires for opioids or other drugs (except my trusty mj, which is one thing that helped me get off the other stuff). On a side note, smoking less mj since I started vaping, another benefit!
~CTdl
Good to hear, CT. Not knowing how long you've been off the smokes I would like to add that I did well for about a month, then a nawing crave started that the nic couldn't touch ("something's missing" feeling). Being familiar with all the signs of depression, I was able to go down the list and check off most. The only thing that had changed was my lack of cigarettes. That led me to this thread and the rest is laid out here. A good possiblity that, through continued use of mj ( a good, natural mood enhancer), you'll be spared the fate shared by some. That is my hope. I would encourage a review of the contents of this thread, though, as case studies and analysis of addiction are prominant and may be an aid in future endevors. Good luck with all
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Welcome CT.
TBob, tnx for the doc.
sunset, personally, I've found Swedish snus less in TSNA's than American from what I've read. What it comes down to is what will you use that has the best effect and the least harm. I've said before , flavor can be high on the importance factor list. If it tastes like crap, you wont want to use it If American is something you will use, it's still lesss than most NRT's and analogs.
I'm afraid you're right. The General White portions aren't doing it for me. Don't like the lemon/pepper taste. Getting used to it, but still not really caring for it. Same mg as the Thunder Frosted, which I like, but the satisfaction isn't there and the desire to vape is, although I already know if I take more than a few hits I'll feel oogey. A week ago, if I knew dog doodoo was safe and would satisfy me, I'da lit up a turd....not too sure, now.
Some here can probably guess where I'm headed with my next experiment. I spent some time researching ring gauges of little cigars, Capri and Virginia Slims, etc., and believe snippets of Swisher Sweets and/or Capri can be soaked in PG or VG, inserted into an empty cart core and vaporized.
A few months ago, I found that mini snus portions worked well in my penstyle. They are like purified packaged tobacco in a teabag, and release glycerine vapor just as a polyfil core does. Now the question is: Will packaged tobacco in a cylindrical roll (a little cigar) perform the same way?
It doesn't take much research to find that little cigars contain higher nicotine levels than cigarettes, so I'm hoping enough transfers to the vapor so I get some mild nicotine lift. FYI: I smoked little cigars (Dean's) for years after taxes on cigs were jacked up. Loved them right up to the moment I quit smoking.
What inspired me was thinking of the Accord, Premier, Eclipse and Heatbar, all detailed in that document. Those devices use a kind of rolled cigarette moistened with PG, a heating element at the far end and a mouthpiece at the other. That's exactly what we have with an e-cig. We have a better, more reliable, tastier modern version of the Premier!
It was the kind of eureka I had when I discovered the 1940s tests on propylene glycol being an effective germicidal against bacteria. Researchers back then imagined using large machines to create a room filled with PG vapor. Today, we have a personal vaporizer. We have something they couldn't even dream of. (My fear is the FDA will use logic like this to ban e-cigs as medical devices).
Bottom line for me: I think my vaping is not only not harmful, but possibly good for my health.
Now let's see if we can convert a regular e-cig into a better smokeless cigarette than the half-billion dollar investments created by Big Tobacco. And if it works, it'll be sooooooo cheap!
If I succeed, you'll see a YouTube demonstration in a few days.
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