So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[a2dcovert]

DVape, Have your findings shown that extending length of soak time causes the WTA to be lost? As in someone could soak tobacco for several days in PG and the results would look like and taste like the tobacco but be devoid of nicotine?

[TWISTED VICTOR]

TBob, darn nice video.
If you do a part 2 of this may I suggest stressing the heating vs combustion as the major contributor of the baddies. One replier had a comment and there seems to be some confusion among people unless its specifically spelled out. I heard what you said abt the 4000 but some will say you are just getting another way with vaping not paying attention to the true diff.

Well done !

Good point, V. Might as well use TB's popularity to draw the masses and preach it all. Surely, someone of importance in the the anti-cig movement will be watching .

[highping]

I hate to jump into this thread this far in, and no I haven't read all 1300 posts so I'm sure I might be missing something..BUT.. It seems like you guys are making it harder than it needs to be.
I don't know much about chemestry (<<look I cant even spell it). And I know even less about alkaloids. But for me it's all about the nic. And when it comes to absorption, that's easy... if you're not feelin' it, up the nic.

I use 36-48 all day and spike with 60 constantly. I don't think anyone could convince me that it's not getting absorbed or that I'm not getting something that analogs gave me, because now I can chain smoke 3-4 cigs in a row and feel zip. I haven't even tried in a while because analogs are just too weak now. No rush, no tingly, not even enough smoke anymore compared to what I'm used to with my current vaping setup.

When I tried to quit smoking a couple years ago I walked around with two 21mg patches 24/7 and still wanted to smoke. Now, vaping with the right equipment I not only don't want to smoke, but even when I have forced myself to try it "for the sake of science", I find it just doesn't cut it anymore. I think those that have convinced themselves that they are 'missing something' are just inventing ways to make it harder than it is.

What I do know about absorption is that, with the right equipment (like the prototype I have on my desk right now), 12mg juice will literally make you dizzy after about 3-4 hits.


Anyway, just my .02

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***now I will sink back into the corner and watch for any advancements you might be on the brink of (in case you all really are onto something here ) **

[a2dcovert]

Well highping,

Consider yourself fortunate. There are many of us who are not fully satisfied. It has everything to do with the alkaloids. We have some very good guidance.

[olderthandirt]

was that?

[a2dcovert]

I don't know OTD, I'm not getting any answers either.

[olderthandirt]

Twas a hit and run, a drive by, anyone get the number of that bus?

I hate to jump into this thread this far in, and no I haven't read all 1300 posts so I'm sure I might be missing something..BUT.. It seems like you guys are making it harder than it needs to be.

[highping]

was that?

Nice retort OTD...didn't quite convince me though


A2D...yours was a little better So are you all saying that you can vape 48-60mg all day and then smoke a cig and feel something (anything) from it???

[DVap]

I hate to jump into this thread this far in, and no I haven't read all 1300 posts so I'm sure I might be missing something..BUT.. It seems like you guys are making it harder than it needs to be.
I don't know much about chemestry (<<look I cant even spell it). And I know even less about alkaloids. But for me it's all about the nic. And when it comes to absorption, that's easy... if you're not feelin' it, up the nic.

I use 36-48 all day and spike with 60 constantly. I don't think anyone could convince me that it's not getting absorbed or that I'm not getting something that analogs gave me, because now I can chain smoke 3-4 cigs in a row and feel zip. I haven't even tried in a while because analogs are just too weak now. No rush, no tingly, not even enough smoke anymore compared to what I'm used to with my current vaping setup.

When I tried to quit smoking a couple years ago I walked around with two 21mg patches 24/7 and still wanted to smoke. Now, vaping with the right equipment I not only don't want to smoke, but even when I have forced myself to try it "for the sake of science", I find it just doesn't cut it anymore. I think those that have convinced themselves that they are 'missing something' are just inventing ways to make it harder than it is.

What I do know about absorption is that, with the right equipment (like the prototype I have on my desk right now), 12mg juice will literally make you dizzy after about 3-4 hits.


Anyway, just my .02

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***now I will sink back into the corner and watch for any advancements you might be on the brink of (in case you all really are onto something here ) **

Good questions/observations to be posting.

The thought has turned strongly to vaping certainly providing ample nicotine, but another theme that has also emerged strongly is the great variability in how each individual responds to the various materials found in analogs (nicotine or otherwise) when used separately or in varying combinations.

An important realization that has then come to light is this: One size does not fit all.

[TropicalBob]

Reminds me of the guy on the Stonewall forum who starts the day with four 4mg Stonewalls stuffed in his cheeks....

But, yes, consider yourself lucky, fella. Rest assured, more nicotine alone is NOT the answer for those who find "something missing" from e-smoking after awhile. I've been at this almost two years; how long have you been vaping?

As an aside: More nic is not good for you. There's increased vasoconstriction, higher heart rate and blood pressure, etc. You want to be a heart attack or stroke candidate some year down the road, just keep shoveling that nicotine into your blood vessels. After a period of time, they lose their elasticity. The doctor will see you now...

Ideally, we should use nicotine in moderation, and hope we receive some of its benefits, while avoiding its known dangers (the newest being that it encourages cancerous growth of damaged cells; I'm sure my lung cells are damaged from 50 years of 30 cigarettes a day).

The only way some of us less fortunate than you can keep nicotine in check is to attempt to replicate the smoking experience as closely as possible, without inhaling tobacco smoke. That's where this thread is headed. That's what WTA is all about.