So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[Vaporer]

frankie1 & Twisted,

Have you considered Lobelia? It's sold at GNC and most homoeopathic stores.
It comes in capsules taken orally.

"An active ingredient in the lobelia plant, lobeline, is similar to nicotine in its effect on the body. Like nicotine, it stimulates nerves in the central nervous system. For this reason, lobeline was once used as a nicotine substitute in many anti-smoking products and preparations designed to break the smoking habit"

Another source: Lobeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It addresses dopamine issues also.

Lobeline

Might be another tool for your kits. I doubt many kits will look alike.
You have to love the Dr's that take the holier than thou attitude and never had the problem.

Remember that any analog avoided is better than what you had.

[DVap]

Interesting Vaporer.

Lobeline isn't an alkaloid I'm familiar with but a quick browse shows some action on dopamine release similar to tobacco as well as inhibition on it's re-uptake.

Seems the FDA banned it for use in stop smoking preparations back about 15 years ago.. they told us it didn't work, which means it probably did work.

It also appears to antagonize methamphetamine, with potential use as a treatment for addiction/abuse.

Interesting to see that it also acts as a nicotinic acetylcholine receptor agonist and nicotine antagonist. I know of another chemical that works quite similarly that I'm not all too thrilled about... Chantix.

I'd be careful with the dosage on this stuff from places like GNC (though GNC didn't have it listed online)... very careful, This appears to be a potent chemical... I see a potental for bad things happening with this stuff even at modest doses if taken casually.

[Stubby]

I think I'll play it safe and stay with my snus.

Oh the irony of it all LOL

[frankie1]

I hadn't thought of lobelia, although that may be worth considering. I think the new product that Ruyan is starting to market was going to be lobelia!

[frankie1]

Yeah...found the link:

RUYAN AMERICA LAUNCHES E-MYSTICK RAPP - Ruyan America

[TWISTED VICTOR]

frankie1 & Twisted,

Have you considered Lobelia? It's sold at GNC and most homoeopathic stores.
It comes in capsules taken orally.

"An active ingredient in the lobelia plant, lobeline, is similar to nicotine in its effect on the body. Like nicotine, it stimulates nerves in the central nervous system. For this reason, lobeline was once used as a nicotine substitute in many anti-smoking products and preparations designed to break the smoking habit"

Another source: Lobeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It addresses dopamine issues also.

Lobeline

Might be another tool for your kits. I doubt many kits will look alike.
You have to love the Dr's that take the holier than thou attitude and never had the problem.

Remember that any analog avoided is better than what you had.

Thanks, Vaporer. I did look into Lobilia originally, but thought it was only for nic cravings, which I have a handle on. I guess I should do some more research on this. Thank you, also, Dvap for your insight and frankie1 for that heads-up link.

[Vaporer]

Lobelia made its rise in the mid 70's to early 80's if I remember correctly. It came after the warning labeling was required on analogs and the big anti smoking push began.
All I can really do is mention it as I'm not a chemist nor a physician.
Anyone considering it should do research on it and consult a professional.
I do know its still available without a prescription.

Funny Ruyan has considered it as an alternative. I hadn't seen that. Recently too.
Lobelias effects, as far as my limited chemistry knowledge goes, is kinda like artificial tobacco and Chantix as thier sub to the many alkaloids that occur in the whole plant of lobelia. If that didnt come out right, I think you can see where I'm going with.
The more refined the less you get overall as they focus on one thing vs the many constiuents that exist that seem ignored. <Insert the govs myopathy here>

Saw my cardiologist today. Told him no analogs since 7-11-2009. He was very happy and asked how. I told him of the PV expecting a tounge lashing. He was very familiar with it asked if he could see it and said he knew of its contents and seemingly high success rate. He was even keeping an eye on the possible ban! He comended me and wrote me a script(3 months) for Nicotrol for some nicotine alternative in the event of a ban ! I about fell off the exam table. He realized it(Nicotrol) was uncomfortable for many and said some had said they diluted it for use. He knew more than he was saying for sure. A CYA I think, but my insurance picks up the tab. His main concern was the levels of nic allowed and lack of professional admistrative control of dosage. I explained the "hiccup syndrome" to him and told him I could easily exist way below that level.

Not the worst day I've started off with recently........................

[frankie1]

Wow Vaporer! That is good news....especially if my tests don't come out the way I want...LOL! Do you think he was talking about vaping the nicotrol in the event of a ban? Could one do that?

The lobelia is an interesting concept...I might explore that route!

[Vaporer]

It was actually so strange. If you knew this Dr for yrs I'd more have expected my head on the floor. He must hate the results of analogs. I mentioned I bought high nic and diluted it down for economical reasons and until I found the minimum that was comfortable. Then had actually went below that since. We discussed the other things that are missed, oral and hand fixations............

I havent filled it yet. I don't know all thats in it. The "discomfort part" came when I mentioned I read (on here) people said it burnt like hell and one person sprayed it in thier mouth. Tasted like crap but instant nic hit. So, maybe he let it go at that knowing I wouldnt be stupid or I was cautious enough lowering my levels myself I wouldn't misuse it.
I dont know..................but I'm not complaining. The nicotine vs my heart was no problem appearently. Situations may vary by a persons condition and health.

I've discussed a combo snus juice nic juice combo spray with exo, even flavored....lol
He posted some examples. The metered sprayer would just need reclaibrated as viscosity changes. Not really that far fetched.

Stubby, if the snus and nasal snuff are working why change it? Think of all the other things, the hardware, orders, higher cost you are missing. I'm happy you found your key.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Yeah...found the link:

RUYAN AMERICA LAUNCHES E-MYSTICK RAPP - Ruyan America

Interesting. I had it pictured more like an additive to existing nic liquids. It may be a case that heat from vaporization destroys it and must stay in it's liquid form. I'll try to keep an eye on this, should it hit the market. Oh boy, here I go, again. New puchase, disposable at that. $$$. Still a trapped rat.