So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[olderthandirt]

And again, good morning all.

I tend to get a similar reaction as TV when attempting to follow the more technical aspects of this thread. Saving grace is my lack of hair, less debris from exploding head syndrome. And there's the introductory course's to human biology and medical terminology I took a few years back. Introductory mind. I can successfully pronounce just about every word I see in this thread! Comprehension is an entirely different thang...

Hello Kurt, your input has certainly added to this thread! I do understand, now, that the articles you cite are meant for kin, DVap primarily. Possible secondary intent of causing more popped eyeballs for Twisted

Thank you IANAN for the article's that you've added here. I was actually able to follow those!

TV, I think the the right thing for you to do is simply give your neighbors fair warning before you start into this thread Me, I like making my neighbors scratch their heads in wonder at the maniacal laughter some of the more technical parts elicit.

OK, I'm going back to the peanut gallery now....

[Vaporer]

I have this great image in my head of the resident chemist hiking in the mountains with his grandson, vaping liquid analog, reminising mindfully of things past, unaware of much more than the pleasantness of enjoying the present more than he normally would and the world looking quite different at the time and not focused the least on why.
Just enjoying the moment.
A well deserved break there and with the grandson too.

You can insert tie dyed or paisley print if you so desire with the approiate music softly in the background.

Edit: The past few days of chemistry posts were deep reading to say the least. When done, I looked up and all I saw was the bottom of my socks weren't yellow from analog smoke that used to be in the carpet.

[Kurt]

Basic summary: Nicotine in low doses works as a stimulate but it is unique as it also effects dopamine and serotonin levels in high doses working as a pain killer/sedative at high doses. Smokers Paradox is the fact that smoking does provide therapeutic benefits to the user for many aliments.

IANAN, excellent links! Related: see my thread

Nicotine and nerve pain

Nic was originally for me a nerve-pain analgesic. I had Guillain-Barre syndrome, GBS (Guillain?Barré syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), and suffer from fundamental nerve pain. Opiates, like codeine and morphine, do not treat it. Nic, and a touch of ..., do. Nic is best, especially inhaled. Oral NRTs didn't cut it. Smoking works by far the best. Nerves are the first place I feel nic withdrawals when trying to quit smoking.

But since vaping for two months, and down to maybe 5 analogs a week, I've had no nerve pain issues at all. And my peripheral nerves know a placebo effect, and laugh at it. Typing is especially problematic for me, which is a problem because I do computational chemistry...all computer/keyboard, all the time. And I don't think anyone would accuse me of limiting my typing here. My 510 system, and 16-24 mg juices, are the best nerve pain medicine I have found yet.

But let's not gum up this thread with that...although it is interesting that tricyclics, like some MAOI's, are used for fundamental nerve pain treatment, so maybe it is ALL related to our blessed and holy WTA, hallowed be thy name...*sound of choir*.

[frankie1]

I am just lurking......better to be thought a fool than open my mouth and prove it! LOL

I seriously appreciate the effort put forth by all of you. I thought I was going crazy but maybe...I'm not sooo crazy after all.

After switching to a low tar cig (yeah, I know NOW) and working in offices where smoking was not allowed, I developed the habit of smoking very fast and all the way down. I wonder if the concentrates in that last 1/4 analog are making it more difficult to quit analogs even with the vape?

[olderthandirt]

I am just lurking......better to be thought a fool than open my mouth and prove it! LOL...

Hey! That's my line

How are ya frankie?

[DVap]

Hmm.. interesting. I was too busy with work for a vape since early in the morning. Just took a few swipes off the WTA at 14 mg. Felt all the cross-talk in my head from the day slip away and cue that sense of well-being.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

This is what happens when I take a day off outta here to take my grandson hiking up in the mountains.

Yah, Dvap, I think the class got a little out of hand, too. They were saying crazy stuff and all...

I knew a lot of this stuff better in high school than I do now...
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My science teacher showed me how to make mini Hindenburgs using Lye, aluminum foil and balloons.

I figured I'd earned a good hard vaping session or two with an anvil in a velvet glove. I was very mellow when I discovered I had only 5 mL of the 28 mg WTA liquid left.

I agree, you've sure earned it. Teaser.

Possible secondary intent of causing more popped eyeballs for Twisted

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Last one popped back in, still a little cockeyed, though.

Just enjoying the moment.
A well deserved break there and with the grandson too.

Ditto
[quote=frankie1;716948]I thought I was going crazy but maybe...I'm not sooo crazy after all.

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Then again,.... At least we can keep each other company.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Hmm.. interesting. I was too busy with work for a vape since early in the morning. Just took a few swipes off the WTA at 14 mg. Felt all the cross-talk in my head from the day slip away and cue that sense of well-being.

Aaaahhh. So, you're hearing them, too, eh? Question: Now that you're feeling this, do you think that possibly you've suffered, to a lesser degree, the same effects as some of us? Just curious.

[Kurt]

Another issue I have been thinking about, and mentioned elsewhere here, is the paper used in US cigs now. It doesn't burn down on its own, supposedly to keep houses from burning down from sleeping smokers. They now generally go out if you don't keep dragging on them.

My point? You smoke a cig from beginning to end on a break. But now the cig doesn't burn down a little between drags. So in the end, more is going into you than before, probably 2-3x as much. Thus the Winston lights I was smoking two years ago deliver less of everything than the ones that can be purchased today. More of everything means more nic to get addicted to, and more nasties to die from.

If you have to regulate the amount of nic in the cigarette, and can't jack it up due to the FDA, this is a way around that...just spin it in terms of safety, and everyone says good job!! But this explains why quitting was so important to me this fall...cigs were making me feel sick and toxic, and now I know why.

In terms of this thread, this has implications on the actual amounts we are trying to simulate. Have blood test been done since the paper change? Or am I just making something up here?

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Another issue I have been thinking about, and mentioned elsewhere here, is the paper used in US cigs now. It doesn't burn down on its own, supposedly to keep houses from burning down from sleeping smokers. They now generally go out if you don't keep dragging on them.

My point? You smoke a cig from beginning to end on a break. But now the cig doesn't burn down a little between drags. So in the end, more is going into you than before, probably 2-3x as much. Thus the Winston lights I was smoking two years ago deliver less of everything than the ones that can be purchased today. More of everything means more nic to get addicted to, and more nasties to die from.

If you have to regulate the amount of nic in the cigarette, and can't jack it up due to the FDA, this is a way around that...just spin it in terms of safety, and everyone says good job!! But this explains why quitting was so important to me this fall...cigs were making me feel sick and toxic, and now I know why.

In terms of this thread, this has implications on the actual amounts we are trying to simulate. Have blood test been done since the paper change? Or am I just making something up here?

Da da dummmm. The plot thickens ! BT's not gonna be happy with Dvap.