So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Ianan, something that might be of benefit with your approach.

Smoking &Tobacco Use:
Bananas can also help people trying to give up smoking. The B6, B12 they contain, as well as the potassium and magnesium found in them, help the body recover from the effects of nicotine withdrawal.

Depression: According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst people suffering from depression, many felt much better after eating a banana. This is because bananas contain tryptophan, a type of protein that the body converts into serotonin, known to make you relax, improve your mood and generally make you feel happier.

Eurika!! So that explains it. I've noticed after a couple of bananas my mood is elevated, thought it was probably the combo of potassium and antioxidants, but it seems to happen rather quickly after comsumption. Then, again, it might just be from increased adrenaline from wrestling them from the kids .

[IANAN]

We can add a week 5 with Bananas... The chocolate is in there to elevate mood as well.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I'll throw in some prunes if you need um . Just heed my earlier warning .

[kinabaloo]

A little experiment. Simple and surprising.

Took the tobacco out of 1 cig and put in a cup with about 2ml-3ml of VG/vodka. Color (at least) began to change within minutes.

I have done this before, gently heating it on a coffemaker hot plate but never actually vaped it; as it dried out it went very dark (probably oxidised); that was some weeks later. To be honest I had forgotten about it.

Anyway, back to today. After 2 hours I decided to try it. Golden tobacco color; very distinct color even in a very small amount but not a dark brown, but a quite bright orange color. Looked very clear away from the bloated tobacco pieces so without even straining it, withdrew a little with a syringe and put it in my atty.

First surprise: very definite taste, almost exactly like the cigarette it was made from. So distinct that I'm sure I'd be able to tell what brand cig it was. I'm not a fan of the tobacco taste, but it was almost a close replica.

Second surprise: a little overfilling combined with a sticky auto battery meant i needed a good draw, and got some juice in the mouth. Quickly to hiccups and unpleasant throat feeling. The taste on the tongue - a warm, tingling sensation felt little different from my usual 36mg liquid.

Third surprise: without being conscious of it, I began to get back to my work, and when i thought I had n't had a smoke for a while, I actually thought that I didn't want one (it's a habit to have a smoke when stuck and need to think over what to do). Have been wondering if this was placebo for the last hour before posting. All I can say is that I wasn't thinking about the something missing at this time, was just thinking about the taste and if my sums were wrong.

Fourth surprise: Doing the sums, something doesn;t seem right. Either the extracted content was greater than I thought, my sums are wrong, placebo is very strong (I know it can be, some 40% of even prescription drug effect), or ...

The sums: 1 cig rated as 1mg nic inhaled after combustion. Assuming about 10% efficiency (an oft quoted figure for smoking), this means about 10mg nic available in the tobacco. I'm assuming I got all of it (to be safe). So the liquid made was only 5mg/ml. Yet seemed much stronger. Although I didnt really like the taste (tobacco heads would though), I did seem to find it more satisfying. That would not be surprising if the liquid was on a par concentration-wise, but this was weak. And 2 hours soak at room temp is not long. Maybe it was 3 hours. The only certainty in this first try is that 1.00 cig worth of tobacco was used

Perhaps the 1mg is based on smoking just 2/3 of the cig. Perhaps there's more than 10mg nic in there. Perhaps the minor alkaloids are less lost this way, compared to the nic. Lot's of don't knows. But very interesting.

edit (add): didn't actually measuer the liquid added; was probably more than 2ml, meaning the liquid was even weaker. Didn't preclean the atty thoroughly either, but could sure taste the new stuff coming through. Will be more methodical next time. This was just a very quick try out; didnt even stir the stuff.

ps:the taste really surprises me - I had always thought the taste was almost completelt that of the tar and ash; not so.

pps: the color is pretty strong. If swish it around the cup, even the thinnest layer left is distinctly yellow. Reminds me of iodine tincture. edit: just checked, iodine tincture is more pure yellow and looks greenish in comparison. The T extract is more orange.

pps: the liquid just smells almost all of vodka.

pps: the tobacco didnt bloat out as much as i expected; didnt change that much in fact.

That was my first WTD (whole tobacco dissolvables) experiment, in the name of science, obviously; not recommending this.

[olderthandirt]

Look out DVap, Kin is gonna bump you out of work with a hot plate!

I recently tried some liquid another fella made in very similar fashion Kin. Shag tobacco left in VG overnite I believe he said. Strained and cut with some 36mg liquid.

The taste was just as you describe. Very rich, as close to a smoke as I've tasted since I started vaping. And there was a, full, feeling afterwards, close to satisfied.

Could it really be that simple?

[kinabaloo]

Look out DVap, Kin is gonna bump you out of work with a hot plate!

I recently tried some liquid another fella made in very similar fashion Kin. Shag tobacco left in VG overnite I believe he said. Strained and cut with some 36mg liquid.

The taste was just as you describe. Very rich, as close to a smoke as I've tasted since I started vaping. And there was a, full, feeling afterwards, close to satisfied.

Could it really be that simple?

When I made this before but never got around to trying it was many months ago. Back then there was much uncertainty about the nic level. There's still some uncertainty but ~10x the aborbed amount stated seems about right. If someone still would smoke this would likely be less toxic, but more toxic than a proper e-liquid, but perhaps marginally. The harmful stuff is not so much TSNAs for example as it is the combustion products. I used almost all vodka btw, I planned to add more VG later but didnt need to. 80% VG + 20% vodka would be more ideal. Yes, for taste at least, this is excellent. And I thought there was something else there too.

What;s left in the cup looks darker that 2 hurs earlier, either it's still extracting or oxidising. Will do air exclusion next time.

This is very simple, but I didnt do it till now because i didnt really expect much from it. Now I know otherwise and that for a still smoking a bit person, might be a reasonable to try. There's no concentrated liquids this way; but care needed as with all e-liquids. For non-smokers, note that this involves unknown factors.

I know I might get some wrath from DVap about the lack of experimental method and/or impurities

I'm still very much on track with WTA as the best solution; just had to try this to advance our knowledge.

[IANAN]

Put it in a tea bag next time and let it soak overnight... but yes... It does produce E-Liquid that is very close to smoking tobacco.

Uhh.. Ahh... yeah... Uhm... I never did that

.... move along nothing to see here officer....

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Question here. kin or OTD, would this be any different from TB's VG soaked snus? With the exception of the BT added goodies in the cigarette?

[kinabaloo]

Put it in a tea bag next time and let it soak overnight... but yes... It does produce E-Liquid that is very close to smoking tobacco.

Uhh.. Ahh... yeah... Uhm... I never did that

.... move along nothing to see here officer....

Hardly different from putting a tea bag in hot water to make a cuppa.

I know many people have done similar things before. With the better understanding of the other alkaloids, it finally seemed I should try it myself.

I could guess you'd been there already ianan

twisted - i know nothing about snus, except that it's not quite the same as smoking tobacco

ps: PGA would be better than vodka, but we're not trusted with that here.

[IANAN]

Wouldn't have used Everclear instead of Vodka either... nope nope nope... never would have done that.