So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[TropicalBob]

I've done that, Kin, and putting it in a tea bag is the ideal way to do this. I like the taste, BTW, but was never sure how much nicotine I was getting (maybe that's not so important).

Anyway, vaporizing a single VG-soaked snus portion stuffed into an 801 cart is the best solution I've found. Full taste, total crossover of content chemicals. And I was told about a week ago by a snus exec that a lab test has been done for this and did confirm nicotine is in the vapor, equal to that found in medium-nic e-liquid. I would love to say more about this, but I'm sworn not to until the company can release all test results!

So I have my alternative if e-liquid becomes a banned substance. VG-soaked snus in a penstyle!

[IANAN]

Question here. kin or OTD, would this be any different from TB's VG soaked snus? With the exception of the BT added goodies in the cigarette?

Somewhere tween Snus Juice and the extract described on some of the documents linked already.

[IANAN]

I've done that, Kin, and putting it in a tea bag is the ideal way to do this. I like the taste, BTW, but was never sure how much nicotine I was getting (maybe that's not so important).

Anyway, vaporizing a single VG-soaked snus portion stuffed into an 801 cart is the best solution I've found. Full taste, total crossover of content chemicals. And I was told about a week ago by a snus exec that a lab test has been done for this and did confirm nicotine is in the vapor, equal to that found in medium-nic e-liquid. I would love to say more about this, but I'm sworn not to until the company can release all test results!

So I have my alternative if e-liquid becomes a banned substance. VG-soaked snus in a penstyle!

I got a better one. Hot plate e-liquid... you get real creative when customs decides to hold yer stuff for ya for a few days...

[olderthandirt]

I've done that, Kin, and putting it in a tea bag is the ideal way to do this. I like the taste, BTW, but was never sure how much nicotine I was getting (maybe that's not so important).

Anyway, vaporizing a single VG-soaked snus portion stuffed into an 801 cart is the best solution I've found. Full taste, total crossover of content chemicals. And I was told about a week ago by a snus exec that a lab test has been done for this and did confirm nicotine is in the vapor, equal to that found in medium-nic e-liquid. I would love to say more about this, but I'm sworn not to until the company can release all test results!

So I have my alternative if e-liquid becomes a banned substance. VG-soaked snus in a penstyle!

Evening T Bob
So that means at some time in the future you'll be able to give us more info on this testing?

[IANAN]

(Cat's Claw) Day Seven;

1. Desire to smoke- Nice even day with no strong urges.

2. Mental Awareness state (Mental Fog)- No loss of volition or mental fog.

3. Anxiety (Relaxed state) and restlessness- Slept normally the night before. Period of excess energy similar to caffeine buzz, not present.

4. Perceived GI (Gastro-intestinal) effects including effects on bowl movements- normal.

5. Effectiveness of and frequency of vaping sessions to reduce cravings- Still most effective when drinking coffee . Tea also somewhat effective.

6. Number of traditional cigarettes consumed (If any)- 16

General comments and observations over last seven days - Seemed to mostly smoke when PV not available or ready (Batteries charged). Some periods of what is best described as a spell of a building mental fog/mental desert. Application of coffee when the symptoms first appear seem to alleviate this feeling. Heavy vaping sessions produce ultimate relaxed feelings but also seem to leave a burnt-nerve feeling.

Cat's Claw seemed to have some effect in normalizing bowls. Coffee appears to be somewhat effective at increasing the effectiveness of vaping. Vanilla, Cherry, and Rose flavor seem more effective (and enjoyable) than Apple, Green Tea, Strawberry, or Flue-Cured Tobacco. 2 piece cartomizer (E-9) model more enjoyable to use but three piece RN4081 vapor seems slightly more effective at reducing cravings.

Slight overall personal analog reduction over period of 1 week with Tx 1.

[Vaporer]

Twisted,
Bananas contain three natural sugars - sucrose, fructose and glucose combined with fiber. A banana gives an instant, sustained and substantial boost of energy.
Research has proven that just two bananas provide enough energy for a strenuous 90-minute workout. No wonder the banana is the number one fruit with the world's leading athletes.

Kin,
snus is pasturized, not fermented and the process greatly reduces the TNSA's. Interesting reading on the Swedish snus websites about it. Also on the lack of health problems after 300 yrs of use!

TB,
Sounds like a good start. Anxious to hear more on this. Flavor is important to me. Flavorless nic liquid isn't really bad, but many things are involved in satisfaction. Any clue to the strength of the test soaked snus? Sterk I'd assume........
I have an order on the way from Northerner. Picked up some Nick & Jonnys, G Rape and Ettan. Read they did well in the cart method. Good flavor too with Ettan & N&J. Of course a 5 pack of General mini mint white too.

[DVap]

ps:the taste really surprises me - I had always thought the taste was almost completelt that of the tar and ash; not so.

What would really surprise you, as Vaporer can attest, is how much the WTA throat hit tastes like an analog even with all the non-alkaloid components removed. The alkaloids really are a major factor in an analog's throat hit and taste.

Even a simple alcohol soak and concentration of the alcohol via allowing some of it to evaporate is probably safer than analogs. The advantages of a purified WTA extract are likely two-fold: a) greater purity, so greater harm reduction, and b) WTA is far less prone to gunk up attys.

As long as we realize that none of this stuff is truly "safe" be it purified WTA or "ghetto soaks" of tobacco or snus with various solvents (alcohol, PG), I've got no problem with any of it.

[kinabaloo]

What would really surprise you, as Vaporer can attest, is how much the WTA throat hit tastes like an analog even with all the non-alkaloid components removed. The alkaloids really are a major factor in an analog's throat hit and taste.

Even a simple alcohol soak and concentration of the alcohol via allowing some of it to evaporate is probably safer than analogs. The advantages of a purified WTA extract are likely two-fold: a) greater purity, so greater harm reduction, and b) WTA is far less prone to gunk up attys.

As long as we realize that none of this stuff is truly "safe" be it purified WTA or "ghetto soaks" of tobacco or snus with various solvents (alcohol, PG), I've got no problem with any of it.

Agreed. Will probably experiment a bit more when i get time.

btw: you used partial VG for the the test of nic surviving atty? I suggest that the vehicle is the key difference with the higher nic Exo found. The BP would be only slightly higher; perhaps the acrolein is knocking out the nic? But there are so amny variables ...

Though with something like 50% increase available, would be nice to know.

Biggest factor might be temp. Slower air throuput combined with slower juice delivery giving higher temps and greater loss.

Would take time to look at each possibility in turn- a long time to do the vape and another long time to do the measureent.

You used a hot running 510, maybe that's the answer?

[Vaporer]

Whats uncanny abt WTA is how much it does taste like an analog, but only the good part. Not the nasty taste of something burnt we all have gotten used to and accepted.
That was in my 1st report back I believe.

[DVap]

Agreed. Will probably experiment a bit more when i get time.

btw: you used partial VG for the the test of nic surviving atty? I suggest that the vehicle is the key difference with the higher nic Exo found. The BP would be only slightly higher; perhaps the acrolein is knocking out the nic? But there are so amny variables ...

Though with something like 50% increase available, would be nice to know.

There are many variables.. Fortunately, I think only a precious few might make enough difference to be of real interest.

I'm pretty impressed with Exo's trapping setup as described to me.