So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[kinabaloo]

There are many variables.. Fortunately, I think only a precious few might make enough difference to be of real interest.

I'm pretty impressed with Exo's trapping setup as described to me.

Hmmm, maybe you simply lost some of the nic

Have any real lab rats to do the classic water feed comparison experiment to compare WTA and say TWN?

ps: some gumming even with TWA might be unavoidable. For example tea catechins (MAOI alkaloids) are also gums that are responsible for tea stains.

ps: air throughput is user controlled so moot. getting 2 tired to add commas sorry.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Twisted,
Research has proven that just two bananas provide enough energy for a strenuous 90-minute workout. No wonder the banana is the number one fruit with the world's leading athletes.

Highly debatable, my friend. The only banana that had that effect on me was the one who caught me in the barn with his daughter . Good info, though. Gives me another reason to not share bananas with the kids, they already outnumber me .

IANAN, overall, it sounds like your diet would only be affective for the most determined. Man, you had me on pins and needles. Great dedication , and a heck of a leap in the right direction. My first batch of pruno didn't have the desired result, either, but with a little tweaking I finally got it right . So, what's next?

[a2dcovert]

I've finally taken the time to read most of what has been discussed and progress made. I think it is very admirable work you guys are doing to achieve the results thus far. My one question at this point is are the efforts pointed toward a true detox for addicted smokers or will the efforts only produce a true replacement for analogs?

Kevin

[TWISTED VICTOR]

True safe (r) replacement, primarily, but IANAN appers to be hot on the trail of a way out, altogether.

[a2dcovert]

I think that no matter which result is achived it will be a positive step forward. So far the medical community is only offering new and more expensive anti-anxiety drugs. What the team here is developing may impact the MDA's wallet, but so is Obama. Too late for me, have to sign off.

Kevin

[Vaporer]

"air throughput is user controlled so moot"
Have to disagree Kin.
Unless the volume drawn reaches the critical orfice volume, diff in airspeed will have a diff in droplet size and how much hits the coil and how much passes by.
You are assuming a 100% "target on the coil hit."
Rebuild a few and you'll see thats just not possible by the present design.

[Vaporer]

Twisted,
The banana info comes from a professor at CCNY for physiological psych research.
He may not be able to tie his shoes either.......lol

[IANAN]

IANAN, overall, it sounds like your diet would only be affective for the most determined. Man, you had me on pins and needles. Great dedication , and a heck of a leap in the right direction. My first batch of pruno didn't have the desired result, either, but with a little tweaking I finally got it right . So, what's next?

Twisted I am not done... I had 4 Tx groups....

Tx2 is passion flower (Just took first dose), Tx 3 is coffee and chocolate only, and Tx 4 is Valerian Root + Passion Flower.

Am also planning Tx 5 (Just added) is Bananas, and I never thought of this but could do Tx 6 with higher tea but no coffee and possible Tx 7 as you mention prunes but couldn't find the post.

Could also do a Tx with a simple extract of tobacco strained through a teabag with Everclear , allowed to sit over night (Tobacco in tea bag) over very low heat to evaporate it down then mixed with VG.



Anyhow... Not to this stage yet, but there is a website that allows free submissions of clinical case studies. After I am done I am going to type it all up nice and neat like and send it over to them. You do this so that it gets shared with a broader scope of more experienced researchers and it may catch their eye- and hopefully one with some funding (Other than the 20 that was in my pocket) does a study (Perhaps with a larger N, double blind with placebos, etc).

Update: Also eating chocolate and drink coffee and take an herb twice a day wasn't that hard (It was quit tasty to tell the truth).... Spacing the coffee took some discipline... but drinking the coffee and eating chocolate would have a good chance of being accepted by most people. I considered this when I put the design together-- Many dietary Txs are effective (Eg there are two dietary approaches to lowering cholesterol that work about as well as the pharmaceutics) but aren't employed as people have problems accepting the dietary changes. Coffee and chocolate most people most likely already consume- just not spaced out and on a daily basis...

[kinabaloo]

Vaporer - I meant moot for existing attys. Different designs will vary though according to operating temp - coil resistance, voltage and power capability of battery - and the liquid composition (PG or VG or PEG).

Air throughput is critical too; 'moot' was perhaps over-stated. I meant that users will vary in how they puff wheras voltage and juice comp are more fixed. Only in that sense is it of less practical consideration. Uses will want and perform a particular draw; they might heed advice to say draw long and slow, but 10ml/second is not as easy to translate into practice as say 3.5v or 10% VG, 5% ethanol.

Have experimented with atty coils out of the case and stated before that some of the sir-pulled droplets will miss the coil and some will be inhaled.

[olderthandirt]

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Update: Also eating chocolate and drink coffee and take an herb twice a day wasn't that hard (It was quit tasty to tell the truth).... Spacing the coffee took some discipline... but drinking the coffee and eating chocolate would have a good chance of being accepted by most people. I considered this when I put the design together-- Many dietary Txs are effective (Eg there are two dietary approaches to lowering cholesterol that work about as well as the pharmaceutics) but aren't employed as people have problems accepting the dietary changes. Coffee and chocolate most people most likely already consume- just not spaced out and on a daily basis...

Good morning IANAN!
Apologies for not commenting on your trials earlier. While I have been following with interest, I do have a lurker status to maintain!

Coffee and chocolate, in combination, have done more for my depression issues than any of the BP prescriptions I've ever tried. Add in the additional herbal supplements your trying out... I'd walk away from vaping and snus in a heartbeat if there was a way to and still remain somewhat sane at the same time.