So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[DVap]

There are two possible reasons for the difference between PI and other eliquids that are being noticed that I can think of.

1. The other eliquids you have used are mislabeling the strength of the nicotine they contain. I get a peppery sensation from the nic liq that I use. Although it doesn't seem quite a strong as I got from nic gum. Incidentally, the vendor I got it from was tested as being near label strength by DVap.

2. PI uses a variant of nicotine as does nicorette gum which is actually nicotine polacrilex. This gum gives a strong peppery/tingling sensation.

Generally, I've not found 1. to be the case, and 2. isn't possible.

Nicotine polacrilex is simply nicotine bound up in a solid ion exchange resin.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Like I said . Wish I could remember if I ever knew that. Wow, what a fancy way to say "gum". I'll use that on the kids. Helps to reinforce their belief that I'm a writer for Modern Science.

[firechick]

Like I said . Wish I could remember if I ever knew that. Wow, what a fancy way to say "gum". I'll use that on the kids. Helps to reinforce their belief that I'm a writer for Modern Science.

Thanks, Victor. I needed a good laugh. .

[unmatter]

Generally, I've not found 1. to be the case, and 2. isn't possible.

Nicotine polacrilex is simply nicotine bound up in a solid ion exchange resin.

OK strike 2, and thanks for the explaination of Nicotine polacrilex.

Regarding 1, I'm just wondering if, since he's using PI, he was comparing it to another TW product (red label) which tested low in nic. This would be a reason why it didn't taste peppery to him.

[Mister]

One of my comparisons was to Dekang 24mg unflavored. I'd be surprised if a Dekang liquid is off the mark.

Edit, more info: My other comparison was to a 36mg purchased from Eastmall. No manufacturer label on the bottle. When diluted to 24mg it seems very much the same as the Dekang though it has a bit more color. I would not be able to tell them apart in vaping though, just visually.

[unmatter]

Mister, OK I'm officially stumped for a chemical explanation.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Thanks, Victor. I needed a good laugh. .

No problem, haven't seen OTD around today, so I gotta pull double duty. It'll quiet down when the smart guys show up .

OK strike 2, and thanks for the explaination of Nicotine polacrilex.

Regarding 1, I'm just wondering if, since he's using PI, he was comparing it to another TW product (red label) which tested low in nic. This would be a reason why it didn't taste peppery to him.

Nah, not a PI fan ($$$). MFS is as good and great prices. Also, I've absorbed alot of Dekang flavored 36 that I can chain, but mix my own 35 and I can lay my PV down for a bit . I should add, in all fairness, the Dekang was 24 boosted to 36.

[Elf]

Regarding 1, I'm just wondering if, since he's using PI, he was comparing it to another TW product (red label) which tested low in nic. This would be a reason why it didn't taste peppery to him.

Well it doesn't seem to be just the tingly sensation that I notice, but also that for me, the nicotine in PI seems to "hit harder and quicker". I have never experienced this in any other liquid, from about 8 different suppliers now that I have tried. Now vaping non-PI certainly gets me the nicotine too, theres no doubt about that - but the nicotine absorption is unarguably slower than smoking analogs, and you don't quite feel the nicotine rush as you would an analog after a period of non-nicotine consumption. Well PI nicotine to me doesn't give me that same nicotine rush either, but it does certainly feel like a "much improved" delivery to me, as i said, harder and faster than any of the non-PI mixes I have had or made so far.

The third thing that I notice differently about PI vs. the others I have tried is the apparent strength to me.
For instance: The non-PI 36mg liquids I have either purchased or mixed myself from 48mg or 60mg sources - I vape these just fine at the rate I used to smoke before vaping.
But if i try this with PI mixed to 36... I cant vape for more than just a few minutes before I just have to put it down... It's just way too strong to vape at my usual rate.
With PI, I find myself at about 20mg and this seems really good for me.

So the tingling, the perceived speed and "hit" of the absorption, and the overall strength seems different to me. Different than about 40 different bottles from maybe 8 different sources. To me, this seems odd. Very odd. I am dying to know why this is.

I have decided I very much like the effects I feel from the PI compared to the other liquids and mixing liquids. I originally tried it because of the "tested purity" bit and wondered if it would taste "cleaner" to me than the regular mixing liquids - and yet I ended up liking it most of all for far different, very unexpected (and yet very welcomed) reasons.

[IANAN]

(Passion Flower) Day two

1. Desire to smoke- Even day with reduced cravings in the morning.

2. Mental Awareness state (Mental Fog)- No fog but very tired in early afternoon.

3. Anxiety (Relaxed state) and restlessness- Slept normal the night before. Energy in morning with crash early evening.

4. Perceived GI (Gastro-intestinal) effects including effects on bowl movements- have the runs

5. Effectiveness of and frequency of vaping sessions to reduce cravings- Not very effective today.

6. Number of traditional cigarettes consumed (If any)- 18

[olderthandirt]

... haven't seen OTD around today, so I gotta pull double duty. It'll quiet down when the smart guys show up .
...

I've been 'round, reading it all, soaking up very little...

just nothing much to contribute.