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I'll keep biting my tounge till all the comments/reports are posted.
Fanatical, me? Hmmmm....yea ok......I can be.
I'll keep biting my tounge till all the comments/reports are posted.
Originally Posted by Vaporer
Fanatical, me? Hmmmm....yea ok......I can be.
I'll keep biting my tounge till all the comments/reports are posted.
Just one more, Vaporer, we'll take the leash off.
The full seven days if I can hold out that long....
And speaking of intestinal fortitude, has your diet and/or appetite stayed the same through all this?
Snuffers too? I missed that one. In my last order that came a few days ago with my new brands of snus to try out and better nic strengths I got some wonderful Poschl's Menthol Snuff. Yummmmmmmy...........Nice WTA effect too.
Twisted, my comments won't be bad.....just things I've noticed in the reporting that I think are interesting.
Hey, Friend, hook-up with OTD. He can tell you all about "snuff boogers".
I really grew to like this WTA. But I could not have picked a worse period to test it.
It arrived on a Wednesday, at a time when the atomizers in my favorite Janty Kissbox units were dying on me. I had already ordered two new ones, but delivery had not yet been made. So I was down to using two Dura-C 510 models, which can't hold a candle to the Kissbox, and the JantyStick, which is great but not as easy to handle as a Kissbox.
Worst? A previously broken and repaired front tooth fell out the day the WTA arrived. It just went "pop", I touched it with my tongue, and out it plopped. I made an appointment with a dentist for the next morning, the morning I would begin the WTA.
I looked terrible and felt terrible that next day. Sleep was fitfull and my stress level was high (who enjoys seeing a dentist even for a simple cleaning?). I used only 1mg to 1.5mg of liquid that first day. And I quickly concluded I did not want to give up my other alternative sources of nicotine. The truth is .. I really like them. I love the taste of Java Stonewall. Wow Coffee Bit nasal snuff. And the new Mocca Macchiato that arrived a day before the WTA. So I kept using everything.
And, glory be, my new Janty atomizers came with the mail that day! What a difference new atomizers make. The WTA produced clouds of copious vapor from my Kissboxes and JantyStick (I even used my Screwdriver late in the evening). In all, I tested in two Kissboxes, a JantyStick, two Duras and a Screwdriver.
The first day impression of the WTA was mixed. I wasn't crazy about the taste, particularly compared to my sweet dissolvables and snus. My cravings were still out of control, thanks to a stress level that could be measured in my elevated blood pressure taken at the dentist's.
I also developed a headache in mid-afternoon, after being told my mouth is a periodontal disaster zone and nothing could be fixed until I saw a periodontist. I made an appointment for the next morning.
At the end of the first day, while I had used dissolvables, snus, one pipe and one sniff of nasal snuff, the overall use was way down. I had used three Stonewalls, for instance, where I would have consumed 10 on a normal day. Two snus potions; I normally use 12 a day. So the e-liquid had cut the necessity I feel for so much nicotine.
By day two, I decided the taste was improving. But not the cravings. This was the day to meet a new periodontist -- and we didn't hit it off. Understatement. I really don't ever want to see her again.
We actually clashed on politics, which she initiated. I felt the rest of the exam was payback for my political leanings opposite hers.
I talked extensively about my nicotine needs, since it seems unfair to check "non-smoker" and not explain a few things. She seemed interested but ignorant, even about snus (how can any dental professional anywhere in the world not be current on snus???). I took out my e-cig to demonstrate and puffed a small cloud of WTA vapor.
"It smells like a cigar," she pronounced. "Do not use that in here." Whoa. She pretty much nailed the flavor of the test liquid -- from more than four feet away. And I didn't blow it toward her. Uncanny.
She proved extremely anti-nicotine. Far beyond mere anti-smoking or anti-tobacco. Nicotine does the damage in the mouth to gums and bone, she said. Nicotine was the demon and there was nothing that could be said good about it. Believe me, I tried .. and I've read the studies.
I got the same anti-nicotine stance from both my dentist and my oral surgeon, by the way. Anyone who thinks e-cigs will be welcomed in those circles had better think twice. No nicotine delivery system will be welcome. The periodontist said she'd heard of e-cigs, but they were no good because they hadn't been proven to help smokers quit.
"What if I don't want to quit?" I asked.
"Then you might help your lungs but that's all. You'll ruin your mouth."
I used about 2mg on that day. Two mg is a heavy day for me, since I rely so much on other sources of nicotine. I had a miserable night, stabbed with daggers of pain from the pointed probe she jammed into my gums during the exam. I tasted blood all evening.
The rest is kind of a blur. Today, an oral surgeon extracted the remaining roots of the front tooth. I liked him and we chatted about science things (why can't I grow another tooth, like a shark or a child?). He was indifferent to the e-cig, while loudly denouncing any smoking device. I was told not to smoke for 48 hours after my surgery. So I'm not using my pipe for two days. I am e-smoking the WTA however.
I still have a sizable amount of WTA liquid left after five days of exclusive use. I've come to like the taste, but wouldn't mind a Kahlua flavor being added to sweeten it a bit. The throat hit, to me, was very pronounced, almost like Janty's Cigar flavor. This is ... good stuff! It tastes, hits and feels like smoke.
Now here's an interesting thought: We know propylene glycol is anti-bacterial, and can kill germs that cause, say, pneumonia or tuberculosis. The proof is posted elsewhere on the forum. But ... there are 22 bacteria that live in the mouth, and three are notorious for creating a toxin that eats bone where teeth are anchored. What if ...
What if propylene glycol killed those bacteria? Blunt fact is that we don't know. It might, and that prospect deserves investigation. What if e-smoking not only produced healthier lungs, but healthier mouths? What if it prevented disease conditions in both?
If I knew how, I'd scrape some bacteria from my gum lines, culture it, and then flood it with exhaled propylene glycol, to see what happens. In the germ-killing vapor thread, you can see the original reports with photos of germs before and after explosure to PG vapor. Remember, it's VAPOR that is effective. Exactly what we use as produced by our personal vaporizers.
I'm going to see if I can't get a researcher interested in this very simple test: Does PG vapor kill harmful bacteria that reside in the mouth?
As I write this, my mouth is bleeding, I'm on three medications -- one for pain -- and I must remain toothless until Dec. 3.
Hey, having some WTA liquid left over after five days is helping my spirits.
That's been a rough few days T Bob. Ouch! And right before Thanksgiving no less!!
(-; Poof :D
Absolutely!!!!!
Depends on your nic choice, however, my husband tells me it is "all good"!
TB: You have my deepest sympathy for what you have been through. I HATE DENTISTS...they always hurt me! Hang in there!!
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