So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[DVap]

Thanks Bob.. and thanks to the other testers as well!

So now we have all the reports in. Between rounds 1 and 2, I'd call it three positives and a mixed.

I was really worried about the round 2 taste. I didn't like it myself. I'd been pointed to the tobacco by the clerk at the tobacco shop. He led me to believe it was an RYO cigarette tobacco, but it was actually a pipe tobacco.

I've since done a batch with additive-free Natural American Spirit (the one in the dark blue can), and it produces a better yield and a cleaner liquid than the previous batches. I could easily make 500 mL of my preferred 15 mg/mL with just a pound of this stuff.

The round one test was done at 28 mg/mL WTA, and round two was done at 30 mg/mL WTA. Three of four testers reported good to excellent effectiveness at either replacing other alternatives entirely or cutting them down significantly, while one of four reported only limited effectiveness.

Other than my comments above, I'll leave it to folks to read the impressions of the testers themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Now I'm gonna kick back and relax for awhile!

[Vaporer]

Twisted, I've done the nasal snuff before. Thats why you never carry a white handkerchief.

TB, what a time to try it. Think I would have held off.
With what you went through, I think I'd sit back with a stiff drink and inject the WTA!

Ad parody, NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

[rickghouse]

Now I'm gonna kick back and relax for awhile!

You deserve it, DVap. What a great contribution you have made to the vaping community!

Now we need a manufacturer to pick up on it. And why wouldn't they? Meeting the needs of consumers is always profitable. We could be on the verge of a whole new era in e-cigs, thanks to DVap.

Rick.

[kinabaloo]

TBob - with you on the study. Was thinking the same thing as I was reading though your report, so happy to see you mention it - this is definitely worth a study.

What I know about mouth bacteria is that those that can aggravate decay (by acid production) fight for territorial supremacy with those that can aggravate gum disease. So most people tend to one or the other.

PG is a good candidate for promoting oral hygiene. I'd like to see the testing. If it killed most bacteria but not the most harmful ones (for teeth or gums) it would be counter-productive. Yet I am hopeful it will be found effective.

VG, on the other hand, might be bad for oral health - depends on whether the alcohol or sugar nature predominates. My guess is that once diluted, the anti-bacterial property of its alcohol nature will be ineffective, but the sugar nature will feed oral bateria; so bad news. But again, only testing will tell us for sure.

[sunset]

DVap,

"I've since done a batch with additive-free Natural American Spirit (the one in the dark blue can), and it produces a better yield and a cleaner liquid than the previous batches. I could easily make 500 mL of my preferred 15 mg/mL with just a pound of this stuff."

Thanks! Now American Spirit is one I'm really interested in, since it doesn't have additives. Which, of course, is what I'd like to get off of as much as possible.

From what I'm understanding, the previous posts are based on a different type for those results ( and of course, you did just stated some for American Spirit). But, more results might be coming is someone wishes to share on this type?

Thanks again for all you done and to the others for the information/feedback.

I'll be lurking along(s).

[kinabaloo]

sunset - a similar protocol to DVap, to isolate and purify just the alkaloids?

[unmatter]

Great job DVap! As an aside, you can buy American Spirit tobacco directly from them a lot cheaper than in stores with free shipping. Just call the number on the label to order.

[DVap]

DVap,

"I've since done a batch with additive-free Natural American Spirit (the one in the dark blue can), and it produces a better yield and a cleaner liquid than the previous batches. I could easily make 500 mL of my preferred 15 mg/mL with just a pound of this stuff."

Thanks! Now American Spirit is one I'm really interested in, since it doesn't have additives. Which, of course, is what I'd like to get off of as much as possible.

From what I'm understanding, the previous posts are based on a different type for those results ( and of course, you did just stated some for American Spirit). But, more results might be coming is someone wishes to share on this type?

Thanks again for all you done and to the others for the information/feedback.

I'll be lurking along(s).

The additives likely get mostly excluded during the processing to isolate the alkaloids, but judging from the aftertaste of the batch made with pipe tobacco, perhaps not entirely (or the pipe tobacco alkaloids had a different taste profile?).

My experience with this has been that when you're doing a lot of work to produce a small volume of material, the stronger tobacco, the better. Some improvement has been via using a stronger tobacco (NAS), and some improvement has likely come with repetition/experience.

At this time, were I to consider producing/selling, the cost for 30 mL of 30 mg/mL WTA liquid would be shocking. This is due to the process I'm using and the purity of the solvents I'm insisting upon. Use cheap dirty solvents, you produce dirty WTA liquid. The idea is harm reduction, not replacing one harm with another. Most extraction procedures you'll find at places like sciencemadness.org always get caught on two extremely troublesome issues: really terrible emulsions during extraction and really poor recovery. I'm disinclined to share the specifics of how I overcome these problems, but it works nicely. On the other hand, the solution to the problem of sloppy emulsions and poor recovery is the reason for the prohibitive cost. To produce that 30 mL of 30 mg/mL WTA liquid requires around $50 in raw materials plus hours of work. On the other extreme, I could produce maybe 225 mL of 30 mg/mL WTA from a pound of tobacco (much more and the process gets unwieldy). The raw materials scale a bit better at this amount, but the work multiplies. It wouldn't be worth my effort selling at less than $90 for just 30 mL of 30 mg/mL WTA. Suffice to say, it's an expensive process. I could consider alternatives that would be far cheaper on raw materials, but this would put me back in the realm of the procedures that are already being thrown around on the Internet... along with their problems.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

TBob, I'm amazed you did so well under the curcumstances. While reading half way through your review I was wishing I had a cigarette to calm my nerves . Ya know, the test is best performed in real world situations, not extreme conditions . I'd be interested to to know, if there's enough WTA left, how you fare when the dust settles a bit.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Twisted, I've done the nasal snuff before. Thats why you never carry a white handkerchief.

TB, what a time to try it. Think I would have held off.
With what you went through, I think I'd sit back with a stiff drink and inject the WTA!

Ad parody, NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

So, you're saying no to my IV drip method .