Some notes on nicotine, absorption, addictiveness and MAOIs

[kinabaloo]

The replies in that thread were helpful, yes.

Reduced MAOIs may well be the bigger part of withdrawal symptoms, at least for some people.

Snus would contains the natural MAOI alkaloids. But you can consider that smoking a few analogs might be better than starting something new (it's effects would be somewhat different; better stay with your body is used to).

As an aside, high caffeine and high nic together can induce unpleasant feelings of over-stimulation.

[frankie1]

I am still looking for passion flower. I purchased a vitamin regimen. The mood enhancer contains:
100 mg Passion Flower Herb (Passiflora Incarnata)
100 mg Rhodiola rosea root extract
75 mg Vitaberry Plus (+)
50 mg Suntheanine L-Theanine
Cellulose, Gelatin

This pill contains a warning about overdosing on iron containing products.

These haven't done a lot, so not sure how much they are helping LOL I don't take any medications...hate taking a pill every day! However, I am hoping these will give me enough boost to get me through tobacco withdrawal.

[frankie1]

Prior to the episode this week, I had cut my caffeine intake...I am a huge coffee drinker. I had replaced my midday coffees with hot teas. THEN, I realized not all tea is caffeine free!

[frankie1]

From the Good Drug guide in describing the effects of .........:

"Sometimes it can induce paranoia, particularly in advocates of The War Against Drugs."

I am sure it induces paranoia in the hearts and minds of the FDA!! LOL

[kinabaloo]

Rhodiola rosea is another MAOI source.

Theanine is the amino acid in tea that gives it's calming effect (so perhaps theanine is a MAOI catechin, will check that later).

ps: don;t know anything really about .......... But there is a difference between mood altering chemicals and reality altering chemicals (perception of and real); whether ......... is reality altering or dangerous long term, i've no idea.

Tea has less caffeine; amounts vary but about 1/2 ballpark). Again, best not to make sudden changes. Certainly best to not have caffeine in the later evening though. Sleep cycle hormones are connected into the biochemical pot.

For mood stability / increased relaxation / stress reduction consider B-vitamins (take as a whole family together) and magnesium.

[frankie1]

Lest I get into trouble...LOL I am not advocating for use of pot...just thought the quote was humorous!

Again, I want to thank you for your discussion. I hope others who are having difficulties will find this thread as I have found it and the other reference materials you have linked most helpful and hopeful!

[kinabaloo]

I was pleasantly surprised to discover that there are MAOIs in tea, that ubiquitous and well-thought 'drug'. MAOIs sound nasty because of the 'addiction' to tar and toxins from smoke, something of a bad press!

I seem to remember that catechins have anti-oxidant properties too, like polyphenols (I think these are related groups, catechins are polythenols, or something like that). All very interesting ...

[frankie1]

So the teas are beneficial. Now if only that were true of coffee!! LOL Actually, I am becoming somewhat enamored with hot tea and this from a true southerner who has never drank anything but sweet, iced tea of hot coffee until I started vaping!

[frankie1]

Oh My...should have read further:

From The Good Drug Guide:

" For instance, the beta-carboline alkaloids found in the world's most popular drink, coffee, are competitive and reversible inhibitors of both MAO type A and type B. "

[kinabaloo]

Coffee has some beneficial effects too, including some antioxidant activity. But it is roasted so there will be nasties too created by the slow burn.

The thing is, we cannot escape getting oxidised, and why live just a little bit longer by worrying about everything and not enjoying life?!