Obama and nicotine addiction

[swanee]

Although I agree it is a poor image for our personal heroes to indulge in bad behavior, I also constantly wonder why this generation needs such constant protection from life and reality. I am guessing that is because parents today simply do not make kids responsible for their own path in life. It is ALWAYS someone else at fault, leading them to a path of destruction. I say that as a current high school teacher who wishes that kids but even more so, the parents, would just take responsibility. It is not the job of the president, rock stars, sports heroes, etc. to set the pace for who kids today will become. It is the job of parents and the kids themselves. Over the past 35 years of my teaching career, I see that more and more, and it makes me worry about what kind of adults these kids will be if they cannot take care of themselves and their actions. Sorry for the rant, but I can assure you it is a HUGE problem.

Bravo my friend,Only wrongs in your logic is agreeing that personal heroes should not in nice little quotations "Indulge", or in thinking whoever sets what is a bad behavior actually is a bad behavior. Why? To me i find MK Ultra and HAARP a way bigger Bad behavior for all of us

[sherid]

But that's bygone days. Smoking is not acceptable any more. I just take comfort in the one thing I have in common with one of the most important people in the world today - a weakness for cigs. It just makes Obama seem all the more human to me!

It is only unacceptable to anti smokers through the denormalization campaign. The denormalization campaign by ASH is unacceptable to me. For that reason, even if I never smoke another cigarette, I will ALWAYS call myself a smoker.

[LaceyUnderall]

It is only unacceptable to anti smokers through the denormalization campaign. The denormalization campaign by ASH is unacceptable to me. For that reason, even if I never smoke another cigarette, I will ALWAYS call myself a smoker.

Agreed. I AM A SMOKER TOO... Always have been... always will.

[SpaceCadet]

It is only unacceptable to anti smokers through the denormalization campaign. The denormalization campaign by ASH is unacceptable to me. For that reason, even if I never smoke another cigarette, I will ALWAYS call myself a smoker.

Oh yes, undoubdtedly it's all down to tireless, loony campaigns. What has ired me the most was one of these rabid campaigners (wish I could find the source, gah) calling smokers/smoking 'immoral'. Wtf?!

Edit - it was Summer Johnson and I misquoted her a little, but this is what she said: "My fear, with any product that masquerades as a nicotine delivery device (including candy cigarettes), is that e-cigarettes give the appearance that smoking is a morally acceptable behavior."

[jennydotz]

It is only unacceptable to anti smokers through the denormalization campaign. The denormalization campaign by ASH is unacceptable to me. For that reason, even if I never smoke another cigarette, I will ALWAYS call myself a smoker.

What does that mean, I've never heard that term (denormalization campaign)? Sorry, noob here.

I don't want anybody in the administration to catch on to e-cigs--They'll be taxed, "regulated", the FDA will get involved and screw it up.

[SpaceCadet]

What does that mean, I've never heard that term (denormalization campaign)? Sorry, noob here.

I don't want anybody in the administration to catch on to e-cigs--They'll be taxed, "regulated", the FDA will get involved and screw it up.

Basically it's a campaign to make smokers look wrong, anbormal - bad. To make smoking a shameful habit. ASH wants smokers are to be seen as subhuman. Have a look at this article: The Free Society: Say no to denormalisation

[jennydotz]

So this ASH effort is a UK thing? That sucks and is guaranteed to be counterproductive.

Just based on my own experience, I think that in addition to the addictive elements of smoking (the nicotine/other chemicals and the compulsive behavior), there is a psychological element that keeps many smoking. It could be as simple as a non-conformist, defiant personality, or a deeper self-esteem issue that's internally shame-based. For some, smoking plays out some subconscious "I am an inferior person, separate from the 'good' people who don't smoke." OK, maybe that's just me :-). But if it's true for others, this denormalisation initiative plays right into some of the underlying reasons people anyway. This will make people smoke more, and make more people smoke.

[sherid]

So this ASH effort is a UK thing? That sucks and is guaranteed to be counterproductive.

Just based on my own experience, I think that in addition to the addictive elements of smoking (the nicotine/other chemicals and the compulsive behavior), there is a psychological element that keeps many smoking. It could be as simple as a non-conformist, defiant personality, or a deeper self-esteem issue that's internally shame-based. For some, smoking plays out some subconscious "I am an inferior person, separate from the 'good' people who don't smoke." OK, maybe that's just me :-). But if it's true for others, this denormalisation initiative plays right into some of the underlying reasons people anyway. This will make people smoke more, and make more people smoke.

ASH is a WORLDWIDE effort. If you don't know about ASH, read here Introduction to Action on Smoking and Health, ASH
You won't be able to read many of their articles because ASH requires that you pay a subscription to get to articles like how to win a custody case if one parent smokes. For more on the lunatics in charge of ASH, look here Prof. John F. Banzhaf III of George Washington University Law School and Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
Banzhaf recently attempted to sue the government for not putting enough porta potties at the Inauguration ceremony. He claimed sexism, based upon the fact that women take more time in the bathroom, and that would lead to a serious lack of facilities. He also supports smoking bans in private homes as the next frontier. If we do not fight these groups and put some of their leaders in prison where they belong for fraud and crimes against humanity, we will deserve all of what we get for allowing them to take over politics and world government.

[jennydotz]

OMG, why have I never heard of this nonsense? This is sickening. It strikes that there is a huge elephant in the room here. Either smoking remains legal and law-abiding citizens should be able to partake with minimal restriction OR smoking should be made illegal, period.

If these people are REALLY interested in public health and "non-smokers' rights" (whatever the hell that means), why aren't they going right to the top and lobbying for criminalization instead of spending this ungodly money and time to cause botherment and infringe on other citizen's rights? I didn't see any compassion on that site intro, it was very disturbing.

Smoking is so unique. I can't think of a legal/social parallel to even compare it to.

[LaceyUnderall]

OMG, why have I never heard of this nonsense? This is sickening. It strikes that there is a huge elephant in the room here. Either smoking remains legal and law-abiding citizens should be able to partake with minimal restriction OR smoking should be made illegal, period.

If these people are REALLY interested in public health and "non-smokers' rights" (whatever the hell that means), why aren't they going right to the top and lobbying for criminalization instead of spending this ungodly money and time to cause botherment and infringe on other citizen's rights? I didn't see any compassion on that site intro, it was very disturbing.

Smoking is so unique. I can't think of a legal/social parallel to even compare it to.

Oh Jenny.. You poor soul. I met Sheri elsewhere online and she opened my eyes to this facist craziness and I am no longer the same person. Just wait. It is going to become a passion for you to see that these people not be allowed to continue demonizing a group of people. They are attempting to make us "slaves" and "2nd class citizens". If you are American, some of the things you will learn about this "hate" movement will boil your blood and put you on the fast track to involvement.

And it goes way deep. Way deep. You will be shocked once you start looking for further info on your own. This is a hate charge worse than any you ever learned of in any school history book (even though that was greatly skewed to start with).