How efficient are e-cigarettes at nicotine delivery?

[kinabaloo]

PhiL: OMG, snus is not chew. ... Do not even use the two tobacco products in the same sentence. Totally different products.

On charts ranking health hazards, snus is below e-cigarettes. Less dangerous.

Care to summarise the 'why'? The why chew and snus are different, and why snus believed safer than e-liquid (sounds unlikely).

[Poeia]

So the 2-part formula for maintaining the same amount of nicotine you got when you were on analogs is

(nicotine per analog x # of analogs) / 0.4 = liquid mg per day

liquid mg per day / mg in liquid = milliliters needed per day

I just ordered my first e-cig. Based on that, the liquid I bought is waaaaay to low in nicotine (unless I can vape 23 milliliters a day.) Fortunately I have lots of unused Nicorette that I can use to supplement it while I find the right ratio for me.

[Poeia]

There's no way to editan additional thought onto our posts, is there?

It occurs to me that one thing that isn't taken into consideration is how many puffs you actually used to take on your analogs. At work, standing outside and holding the cigarette, I basically smoke the whole thing. But at home I light a cig, take a puff and put it in an ashtray. There are plenty of times when I only get a couple of puffs before the cigarette burns out.

With e-cigarettes, you get that 40% of the nicotine in all the juice.

[Stubby]

Care to summarise the 'why'? The why chew and snus are different, and why snus believed safer than e-liquid (sounds unlikely).

Snus and chew are processed in different ways. Two major ones are; The tobacco in snus is air cured as opposed to fire cured. This keeps the toxins at low levels. Second, snus is pasteurized as opposed to fermented. Again, this keeps the toxins associated with tobacco to very low levels.

There are a number of experts in the field of harm reduction that claim american snuff has improved in recent years and now there is little difference in harm between american snuff and Swedish snus. That could certainly be debated, but most that have used both prefer snus for various reasons, especially the fact that there is no need to spit.

It's not to difficult to figure out why some would consider snus to be less harmful then e-liquid. It's all about knowns and unknowns. Snus has been studied since the 60's and the degree of risk is well understood. With e-liquid there are to many unknowns to be so self-assured. E-liquid may very well end up being less harmful then snus (though it would likely be splitting hairs) but for the moment, if you want to stay with the knowns then snus has a good case going for it. You can agree or disagree with that but it's hard to argue with the decades of studies behind snus that show it is orders or magnitude less harmful then smoking.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I love a good laugh and this group is very informative and fun to read at the same time.

Puuuph....just caught this. Go to the Smokeless Tobacco forum and read Dredbull's snus and snuff reviews.....you'll laugh yourself brain dead....

[a2dcovert]

How come I'm just finding this thread? Besides being another difficult read, it does make a lot of good points.

We need some concrete findings amnd solutions. I feel that we are already starting to lose some of the older members, as in length of time spent vaping not age, and I think they may need to be given this information before they give up and return to smoking. I know that I was at wits end before findinnng this forum. I think snus will keep me off cigarettes until a solution is found.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I think it'll keep you off smokes, too. And I also agree that many an old timer has drifted the direction the smoke blows. There's so much info posted just recently, but the majority don't venture down to this area. All the music and eye-candy of the modders sub is sidetracking needy vapers. It would be nice to have a compilation from the brains and researchers as a sticky summary up there some where. It would be a community service for many.

[a2dcovert]

I think it'll keep you off smokes, too. And I also agree that many an old timer has drifted the direction the smoke blows. There's so much info posted just recently, but the majority don't venture down to this area. All the music and eye-candy of the modders sub is sidetracking needy vapers. It would be nice to have a compilation from the brains and researchers as a sticky summary up there some where. It would be a community service for many.

I posted an invite on the diyliquid forum hoping to catch the eye of some folks like us. I think the word needs to get out that nicotine from the PV is not going to work for us addicted smokers. I know that there are a lot of vapers who are still on that denial routine that I was on. "This has to work, I must need more nic content". TB said that the success rate for the PV will be more like 20% and I agree. There are probably lots of suffering vapers out there. We need to reach out to them.