Snus for WTA

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I also think much consideration needs to be given in regard to the bigger picture. Pesticides and heavy metals are found in our everyday environments, especially for city dwellers, but for country folk as well. Sources are fish, veggies, air, drinking water, fast food, and, and, and, and...... I'm more concerned about my well water than I am smokeless tobacco. At one time this wasn't the case, but in recent decades our world has become a cesspool. Truth is, I feel better about the snus I use than the lettuce in my salad .

[TropicalBob]

To me, Swedish snus is far less likely to harm me than e-liquid made in unknown, unregulated Chinese factories. You want to gamble with your health? Keep using untested, unlabeled, zero-quality-control e-liquid from China in lieu of snus or snuff.

[exogenesis]

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I've had my snus and snuff tested. They both contain heavy metals (not surprised, I knew powdered tobacco contains lead) and pesticides (that one surprised me)
...

Well done for doing extra testing, good to see the effort being made

However, would it be possible to elaborate on your results,
i.e. snus/snuff types tested & the test regimes & amounts found ?

Presumably the metals and (organic?) pesticide tests were different.


I think there should be benefit of the doubt with potential new info like this,
at least until dis-proven/withdrawn ...... or shown to be right.

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[TropicalBob]

The benefit of the doubt must reside with tests made over the years, clinical trials on products, recorded adverse events, medical records of study groups ... not some off-the-wall post saying pesticides and heavy metals were found.

No, the burden is entirely on the poster to post complete results so they may be evaluated. This is pure heresay. I don't for a minute believe you will find such contaminants in Swedish snus or Stonewall dissolvables or Toque snuff.

[exogenesis]

I meant the benefit of the doubt as in giving him time to back up his
statements, not benefit of doubt of the results themselves.

If he can come back & say 'these were the results' & show they're 'good',
then you can't dismiss them on the basis of previous info.

Don't close your mind to new data, unless it's wrong 'data',
rickghouse you need to back it up or retract it, or say nothing &
we'll assume it was erroneous at some point.

[Bagazo]

Don't know about Stonewalls or snuff but Swedish match has info on their standard on their site (can't post links yet).

Also average contents for 2008 and yes there are pesticides and heavy metals. Is it an insignificant amount? Most likely otherwise they would not have made it public.

[Stubby]

Here is the link to the Swedish Match page

GothiaTek® standards - Swedish Match

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Stubby, I swear you're like the guy in a trenchcoat on the street corner...."Whatcha need? I got magazines, I got watches and fine jewelry, I got studies on Swedish snus, I got somethin' for everyone, all ya gotta do is ask. If I ain't got it, it can't be had.....".

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Here is the link to the Swedish Match page

GothiaTek® standards - Swedish Match

Also from the same site a statement of interest to us snusers and snuffers:

"Nicotine addiction caused by tobacco are not governed by product characteristics and consumer behavior alone. Hereditary factors may also be highly significant. In a study by True et al. (1997) that included identical and fraternal twins, it was observed that 50 percent of the probability that an individual would begin smoking could be explained in terms of hereditary factors, and that continued smoking was determined by genetic background to an even greater extent (70 percent). Genetic differences in the ability to release dopamine and other signal substances in the brain could be part of the explanation for these results."


'Course, I guess we already knew that, didn't we?

[exogenesis]

So some people are genetically pre-disposed to nicotine addiction ?
presumably that also applies to other drugs as well.