If at first you don't succeed...

[olderthandirt]

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I know it is a bit odd, but in the short time I have been lurking and active on this board it seems to be a trend where ex-smokers, or at least aspiring ex-smokers, become hyper critical of potential health issues regarding their new hobbies.

So nice that you voiced that pants. It does strike me odd as well. Downright funny in many instances.

A lot of the self scrutiny is prompted by the 'newness' of the e-cig; and is intended I'm sure as a way to better understand and thereby defend the e-cig.

A lot if the hyper critical behavior you point to, IMHO, comes from the folks that are having a hard time quitting smoking and won't admit it. Even though they're vaping 48mg at 12v they are still having withdrawal symptoms.
Symptoms that more often than not could be assuaged with a simple pinch of snuff or portion of snus but instead have them actually attacking that which could be of the most help

[dleerl]

Can't we ever just go through the withdrawal and get our bodies to adjust? Or are we tied forever to tobacco? Can we find a substitue for the WTA from any other source? I'm a hard core smoker. I know it. The PV just doesn't cut it for me and I doubt if I move from a 3.7v to a 6v if that will make much difference. I'm sure I'll have to snus and that's just more money and possibly damage to the oral cavity. I just want to be free. I already have a lot of brain chemistry problems. I guess this is just one more added to the list. Might as well pop one more pill if there is one that I can take to get those alkaloids and MAOI's. LOL

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Constant togetherness is fine –
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[a2dcovert]

Can't we ever just go through the withdrawal and get our bodies to adjust? Or are we tied forever to tobacco? Can we find a substitue for the WTA from any other source? I'm a hard core smoker. I know it. The PV just doesn't cut it for me and I doubt if I move from a 3.7v to a 6v if that will make much difference. I'm sure I'll have to snus and that's just more money and possibly damage to the oral cavity. I just want to be free. I already have a lot of brain chemistry problems. I guess this is just one more added to the list. Might as well pop one more pill if there is one that I can take to get those alkaloids and MAOI's. LOL

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Constant togetherness is fine –
But only for Siamese twins. --Victoria Billings

dleerl,

I wish that we could just go through the withdrawal and be free of the tobacco addiction. Some are able to do just that, while others like me are truely addicted for life to burning tobacco. I don't know if there will ever be a "detox" substance found that has the power to cure my addiction.

There is a group of individuals who are fortunate because they can quit cold turkey with no side effects. I did this myself at the age of 22 when my wife became pregnant. I just set the pack of cigarettes on the top of my dresser and never picked them up again. I had been smoking for 9 years at that time. I had no withdrawal symptoms that I remember.

Six years later I was working in Saudi Arabia working and living with a bunch of guys from the UK. They were so polite that they never took out a pack of cigarettes without passing it around the room first before taking one for themselves. Well after 2 weeks of this I took one and lit it up. I was imediately a smoker again. I tried to quit in 1986 and 2004 and failed miserably.

Maybe our only choice, for the rest of our lives, is to find a substitute for burning tobacco that has a reduced harm effect.

[TWISTED VICTOR]

A lot if the hyper critical behavior you point to, IMHO, comes from the folks that are having a hard time quitting smoking and won't admit it. Even though they're vaping 48mg at 12v they are still having withdrawal symptoms.

That took some kahuna's to throw out, OTD. I, also, believe this to be true. Some are successful and content with PV's, but some are "wanna be's" on that bandwagon. Not me. I know what I need, I don't smoke and I'm content. There's so much more to cigarette addiction than most people know and for some of us, as a2d says, our bodies never acclimate to the lack of the therapeutic effects of tobacco.

[olderthandirt]

That took some kahuna's to throw out, OTD. I, also, believe this to be true. Some are successful and content with PV's, but some are "wanna be's" on that bandwagon. Not me. I know what I need, I don't smoke and I'm content. There's so much more to cigarette addiction than most people know and for some of us, as a2d says, our bodies never acclimate to the lack of the therapeutic effects of tobacco.

Nah, just old enough to not be too awfully caught up in "fanboy" antics.

The ECF community does have a variety of faces and that's a good thing.

The fun aspect of vaping as a whole, good stuff!
The fanboy face of "My PV is better than yours", hysterical comedy that it is.
The Tim the Toolman more-is-better side with 120volt redhot atty vaping 120mg flavored with crushed jalapeno's makes for a hoot.

And there's the other side of the tracks folks that want to get off of cigarettes and are honest enough to talk about what works in a calm and matter of fact manner. I hope to be one of those people some day

In the mean time, vape, pinch and tuck, for tomorrow we be taxed!

[martha1014]

This thread talked so much about smoking cigarettes and the addiction I got the urge to smoke. I haven't smoked in 8 months but I do have a few cigarettes left. I went to the door to see how cold it was. It was cold and raining and I decided I didn't want one that bad. Once you are addicted it is a struggle not to smoke. I am satisfied with just vaping but I still get that urge even though the last time I smoked it made me nauseated and start coughing. The actual addiction to cigarettes will never go away.

[olderthandirt]

...I decided I didn't want one that bad. Once you are addicted it is a struggle not to smoke. I am satisfied with just vaping but I still get that urge even though the last time I smoked it made me nauseated and start coughing. The actual addiction to cigarettes will never go away.

One at a time not smoked, way to go!

[a2dcovert]

The act of "smoking" was still there, but it did not scratch the itch by a long shot.

I have been analog free for a tad short of a month, weeks two and three were horrible. Depression, impulse control issues, and a massive lack of patience.

I may give snuff a shot, but I am a little concerned about the potential health risks.

The health risk associated with smokeless tobacco is considered as Harm Reduction. There may be some health risks associated with smokeless tobacco but it is considerably lower than smoking cigarettes.

So complete tobacco cessation is always the "most healthy" choice. For those who can reach this point I am very happy for them. For me and many others the harm reduction route is the only possible choice. For me even the nicotine replacement options available at this time are not enough some times.

One statement I recently heard was "What is gained by healing the body if by that process the soul is destroyed." Rings true to me.